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For Luciferians; The difference between Luciferians & Luciferianism.

Twig pentagram

High Priest
There is a growing dispute in our community about Lucifer worshippers
hijacking The Path. Worshipping Lucifer does not make you Luciferian.
In fact many would say that it makes you the oppisite of a Luciferian.

Luciferianism was created by people that woship Lucifer. IMHO- these
people are not Luciferians. In fact, I think anyone that practices
Luciferianism is not a Luciferian. The Luciferian ideal is about SELF
mastery. It's not about bowing down to a deity, its about becoming
one with Deity and in turn becoming your own Deity.
 

Iti oj

Global warming is real and we need to act
Premium Member
This is why I just say im a lucifer. Idk man. I feel like we might be the odd group. That's ok we all meet at one community. My experience on another forum makes me want to say promethian instead of luciferian.
 

jasonwill2

Well-Known Member
There is a growing dispute in our community about Lucifer worshippers
hijacking The Path. Worshipping Lucifer does not make you Luciferian.
In fact many would say that it makes you the oppisite of a Luciferian.

Luciferianism was created by people that woship Lucifer. IMHO- these
people are not Luciferians. In fact, I think anyone that practices
Luciferianism is not a Luciferian. The Luciferian ideal is about SELF
mastery. It's not about bowing down to a deity, its about becoming
one with Deity and in turn becoming your own Deity.

I'm sorry, but this is like saying "I'm a Luciferian but I don't adhere to the philosophy of Luciferianism, also I don't worship Lucifer/archetype even though historically Luciferians do"

As both a Lucifierian and a Satanist I can say that this "ism" idea is just a ridiculous game of silly semantics that are pointless. Does it really make one's idea any more true in anyway to be so nitypicky yet grammatically incorrect to say they are not an -ism? Should we now just abandon all rules of the English language?

If something is an "ism" it's a philosophy, theory, or religion that one loosely adheres to. If you are an "ian" you adhere to a philosophy, theory, or religion. So how is an "-ian" not a follower of a "-ism"?
 
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Iti oj

Global warming is real and we need to act
Premium Member
Jason it is so much more then that. And im tired of hearing hidtoricaly. What is the context of that belief. What is the premise for such an understanding. What lucifer meant to them. Etc
 

jasonwill2

Well-Known Member
Jason it is so much more then that. And im tired of hearing hidtoricaly. What is the context of that belief. What is the premise for such an understanding. What lucifer meant to them. Etc

If something is an "ism" it's a philosophy, theory, or religion that one loosely adheres to. If you are an "ian" you adhere to a philosophy, theory, or religion. So how is an "-ian" not a follower of a "-ism"?

If the person is not a Luciferian because of some philosophy, isn't is just a sexed-up symbolism for what everyone more or less does or values?
 

Iti oj

Global warming is real and we need to act
Premium Member
What was their premise.
In a thiusand years internet archeologist dig up rf what would they say about us
 

jasonwill2

Well-Known Member
What was their premise.
In a thiusand years internet archeologist dig up rf what would they say about us

I think the OP puts this clearly. Twin thinks being a Luciferian is being an autotheist, so why can't he just be an autotheist and stop corrupting the actual meaning of the word Luciferian?
 

Iti oj

Global warming is real and we need to act
Premium Member
I think the OP puts this clearly. Twin thinks being a Luciferian is being an autotheist, so why can't he just be an autotheist and stop corrupting the actual meaning of the word Luciferian?

You have yet to demonstrate that. See my above questions.
 

jasonwill2

Well-Known Member
You have yet to demonstrate that. See my above questions.

Look right here:

There is a growing dispute in our community about Lucifer worshippers
hijacking The Path.

-snippet-

In fact, I think anyone that practices
Luciferianism is not a Luciferian. The Luciferian ideal is about SELF
mastery. It's not about bowing down to a deity, its about becoming
one with Deity and in turn becoming your own Deity.

Empasis added.

Iti oj, You know what I think is really offensive and disgusting? People who don't believe in Lucifer coming in and hijacking the name of a religion and the adjective meaning to follow that religion and then them saying they are the real thing instead of the definition that has been around for hundreds of years, then starting nonsense because about an adjective which means to follow said religion, perverting the English language.
 

jasonwill2

Well-Known Member
Jason it is so much more then that. And im tired of hearing hidtoricaly. What is the context of that belief. What is the premise for such an understanding. What lucifer meant to them. Etc

Wait... was this a question? Are you asking me what Luciferianism is, and what it means to be a Luciferian? Punctuation would of helped make that more clear.

edit:

Luciferianism is a belief system that venerates the essential characteristics that are affixed to Lucifer. The tradition usually reveres Lucifer not as the Devil, but as a rescuer or guiding spirit[1] or even the true god as opposed to Jehovah.[2]


Luciferianism is identified by some people as an auxiliary of Satanism, due to the popular identification of Lucifer with Satan. Some Luciferians accept this identification or consider Lucifer the light bearer aspect of Satan.[1] Others reject it, arguing that Lucifer is a more positive ideal than Satan.
source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luciferianism
  1. ^ a b Michelle Belanger (2007). Vampires in Their Own Words: An Anthology of Vampire Voices. Llewellyn Worldwide. p. 175. ISBN 0-7387-1220-5.
  2. ^ Spence, L. (1993). An Encyclopedia of Occultism. Carol Publishing.
Gnostic Luciferianism, based on ancient Ophite Gnosticism, usually combined with subsequent Western occult traditions. Lucifer is typically seen as both a bringer of spiritual enlightenment and a champion of individual liberty. Some Luciferians are also strongly influenced by LaVeyan Satanism or by the Temple of Set paradigm, though most are not. Luciferians typically make a sharp distinction between "Lucifer" and "Satan" and between "Luciferianism" and "Satanism," although their idea of "Lucifer" typically does borrow at least some themes from the Christian Devil concept. But a few Gnostic Luciferians do identify as "Satanist" as well as "Luciferian"; a well-known example was Herbert Sloane's Lady of Endor Coven, founded back in 1948. Those relatively few Gnostic Luciferians who do see "Lucifer" and "Satan" as the same entity (or as aspects of the same entity) can be considered primary theistic Satanists. Because most Luciferians do not consider themselves to be "Satanists," I won't list any Luciferian groups here, but it is easy to find a few by Googling "Luciferian Gnostic."
Source: http://theisticsatanism.com/varieties/index.html

Notice that I didn't say that all Luciferians value self-determinism. That's because there is no dogmatic set of beliefs to Luciferianism.

Empasis added;

Source: http://www.squidoo.com/luciferian

Also I didn't watch the videos on that page, I just read the text.
 
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Iti oj

Global warming is real and we need to act
Premium Member
Sorry phone was craping out. And that was not what I was asking at all. Where did the premise come from are the writtings litteral or symbolic. How doez compare to historic mythollogical and archetype lucifer.
 

jasonwill2

Well-Known Member
Sorry phone was craping out. And that was not what I was asking at all. Where did the premise come from are the writtings litteral or symbolic. How doez compare to historic mythollogical and archetype lucifer.

This debate isn't about that, it's about semantics and sexed-up autotheism.

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Gnostic Luciferians base their beliefs off of this somewhat then mix it with occult traditions, AFAIK:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ophites
 
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Iti oj

Global warming is real and we need to act
Premium Member
Gnostics are gnostics they have their own dir and should have no say over mine. And satanist are satanist even if they think. Lucifer is satan
 

jasonwill2

Well-Known Member
Gnostics are gnostics they have their own dir and should have no say over mine. And satanist are satanist even if they think. Lucifer is satan

...But THERE ARE Gnostic Luciferians that base their beliefs somewhat on the Ophites. Hence GNOSTIC Luciferians. And since it's mixed with western occult tradition it has more to do with the LHP than Gnosticism and is more eclectic then you suggest.

How long have you been a Luciferian?
 

Twig pentagram

High Priest
I think the OP puts this clearly. Twin thinks being a Luciferian is being an autotheist, so why can't he just be an autotheist and stop corrupting the actual meaning of the word Luciferian?
You don't know the meaning of the word luciferian.:facepalm: & it's Twig not Twin.
 

jasonwill2

Well-Known Member
You don't know the meaning of the word luciferian.:facepalm: & it's Twig not Twin.

So let me get this straight, if you are a Luciferian you do not practice Luciferianism, and if you practice Luciferianism your not a Luciferian?

Do you realize how nonsensical that is?

As far as I can tell your Luciferian [ism?] has nothing to do with the archetype/god/planet/devil/anything that can be said to be "Lucifer like".

It's just autotheism under a different name, so why not just say you are an autotheist?
 

Twig pentagram

High Priest
So let me get this straight, if you are a Luciferian you do not practice Luciferianism, and if you practice Luciferianism your not a Luciferian?

Do you realize how nonsensical that is?

As far as I can tell your Luciferian [ism?] has nothing to do with the archetype/god/planet/devil/anything that can be said to be "Lucifer like".

It's just autotheism under a different name, so why not just say you are an autotheist?
You have no idea about the things your speaking on. I would enlighten you
but I think you should be left in the dark.:nightcraw:
Edit; Watch out for the Leviathan.
 
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The Sum of Awe

Brought to you by the moment that spacetime began.
There is a growing dispute in our community about Lucifer worshippers
hijacking The Path. Worshipping Lucifer does not make you Luciferian.
In fact many would say that it makes you the oppisite of a Luciferian.

Luciferianism was created by people that woship Lucifer. IMHO- these
people are not Luciferians. In fact, I think anyone that practices
Luciferianism is not a Luciferian. The Luciferian ideal is about SELF
mastery. It's not about bowing down to a deity, its about becoming
one with Deity and in turn becoming your own Deity.

1 thing: prove it.
 
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