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Evolutionary advantages of rape in a species

jasonwill2

Well-Known Member
What evolutionary advantages of rape in a species are there? I have thought on it some in the past, but would rather not post my opinion on it.
 

Kerr

Well-Known Member
What evolutionary advantages of rape in a species are there? I have thought on it some in the past, but would rather not post my opinion on it.
Evolutionary advantages would probably be summarized by getting more babies if you rape more women. Not that it would be moral in any way, though. Evolution is an extremely amoral process.
 

jasonwill2

Well-Known Member
Evolutionary advantages would probably be summarized by getting more babies if you rape more women. Not that it would be moral in any way, though. Evolution is an extremely amoral process.

I'm curious as to what the advantage of the co-evolution of the female and male genders of the species would be with the traits needed to avoid and get away and fight and pin down respectively.

They have observed this in some species of duck I believe.
 

Alceste

Vagabond
I'm curious as to what the advantage of the co-evolution of the female and male genders of the species would be with the traits needed to avoid and get away and fight and pin down respectively.

They have observed this in some species of duck I believe.

The evolutionary advantage to females selecting from a number of males for a mate is ensuring a good genetic match and strong offspring. In general, males don't attack females, they fight each other for access to females to mate with. The females look on from the sidelines going "Ooh, look at the antlers on him! I'll have me some of that..."
 

jasonwill2

Well-Known Member
The evolutionary advantage to females selecting from a number of males for a mate is ensuring a good genetic match and strong offspring. In general, males don't attack females, they fight each other for access to females to mate with. The females look on from the sidelines going "Ooh, look at the antlers on him! I'll have me some of that..."

But is there not some physical advantages to the skills, speed, and strength needed for the rape co-evolution of male and female as seen in a number of duck species? Why else would they evolve as such otherwise?

Ducks
 

Iti oj

Global warming is real and we need to act
Premium Member
Its mostly like an unstable system and would hurt more then provide benifits.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Evolutionary advantages of rape? That's ridiculous! Didn't evangelical scientists
recently prove that women secrete special anti-pregnancy juices when raped?
Thus, it would result in no offspring. Hmmm.....unless.......women rape the men.
 

jasonwill2

Well-Known Member
Guys! I'm talking about rape in species like ducks! I'm not talking about with people or I would of stated so!

Why presume an evolutionary advantage of this or any other type of violent deviant behavior?

Because it is so rampant in some species of animals, such as ducks with whom their genitalia have literally evolved to rape better or to better escape rape. Your idea of "deviant" has not reality as far as natural selection is concerned. Did you know that at least a third of all sexual intercourse with ducks is rape? And that instances with ducks committing necrophilia has been observed?

Necrophilia among ducks ruffles research feathers | Education | guardian.co.uk

WARNING NEXT LINK HAS A PICTURE OF DUCK PENISES

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn11764-female-ducks-fight-back-against-raping-males.html
 

Quintessence

Consults with Trees
Staff member
Premium Member
It would depend entirely on the species in question. I don't know enough about ducks to comment on them specifically. I'm a plant person, not an animal person. :shrug:
 

Alceste

Vagabond
But is there not some physical advantages to the skills, speed, and strength needed for the rape co-evolution of male and female as seen in a number of duck species? Why else would they evolve as such otherwise?

Ducks

Seems to me you might find it difficult to prove a charge of rape against these apparently inconsiderate male duck lovers. First we would need to establish several points of crucial evidence, such as: What was the she-duck wearing? Had she been drinking? What was her sexual history? Did she do anything the he-duck might reasonably have perceived as flirtatious? Without a detailed and thorough examination into the character and behavior of the she-duck, it would be impossible to determine whether or not she was "asking for it".
 

jasonwill2

Well-Known Member
Seems to me you might find it difficult to prove a charge of rape against these apparently inconsiderate male duck lovers. First we would need to establish several points of crucial evidence, such as: What was the she-duck wearing? Had she been drinking? What was her sexual history? Did she do anything the he-duck might reasonably have perceived as flirtatious? Without a detailed and thorough examination into the character and behavior of the she-duck, it would be impossible to determine whether or not she was "asking for it".

Lol. xD

But in all seriousness, the "the victim is on trial" mentality is really, really flawed, disgusting, and sick. I do not advocate or condone rape, I am simply pondering if it has any evolutionary advantages in non-human animals, as some species have evolved around avoiding rape or more successfully raping.

Though I'm pretty sure that the duck in question was forced because the girl ducks try to get away.
 

Shuddhasattva

Well-Known Member
The key question I see here is:

At which unit of selection?

On the individual level, rape represents a clear evolutionary advantage: one can spread one's genes without regard for the usual restrictions of sexual selection.

That we aren't reduced to indiscriminate killing and raping is testament to our eusociality, the headache of evolutionary biologists - and psychologists - the world over.
 

jasonwill2

Well-Known Member
What are the evolutionary advantages of primate species flinging their feces?

But primates didn't evolve their organs in different ways to more effectively through feces or avoid being hit by thrown feces.

But there are species that have evolved in different ways in response to rape. if you don't believe me, refer to my links earlier in the topic.
 

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
Lol. xD

But in all seriousness, the "the victim is on trial" mentality is really, really flawed, disgusting, and sick. I do not advocate or condone rape, I am simply pondering if it has any evolutionary advantages in non-human animals, as some species have evolved around avoiding rape or more successfully raping.

Though I'm pretty sure that the duck in question was forced because the girl ducks try to get away.

Sociobiological theories of rape - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

We should keep in mind that lesser animals don't possess the capacity for reason or empathy. They don't contemplate consequences, they just act upon impulse.
 
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