Koran v. Bible

[FearGod]

The answer is in the same verse: "These things are capable of changing the whole atmosphere of the earth and their contamination would prove lethal."

other types such as grenades,explosives or bombs do not contaminate the whole atmosphere of the earth, so, He must have been refering to nuclear.
Baha'u'llah only revealed what God told Him and allowed Him to reveal.

Why Prophet Muhammad didn't reveal in Quran about Nuclear? I would say because, He only revealed what God asked Him.

But actually it is a bomb,nuclear bomb,he can say a super bomb that can change the whole atmosphere of the earth,and even saying changing the whole atmosphere
of the earth is completely nonsense.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

But actually it is a bomb,nuclear bomb,he can say a super bomb that can change the whole atmosphere of the earth,and even saying changing the whole atmosphere
of the earth is completely nonsense.

"A tiny fraction of the operational nuclear arsenals, if detonated within large cities, would generate enough smoke to cause catastrophic disruptions of the global climate and massive destruction of the protective stratospheric ozone layer. Environmental devastation caused by a war fought with many thousands of strategic nuclear weapons would quickly leave the Earth uninhabitable"

"The scientific studies summarized in this paper make it clear that the environmental consequences of a “regional” nuclear conflict could kill hundreds of millions of people far from the war zone. Deadly climate change caused by a war fought with the strategic nuclear arsenals of the U.S. and Russia would threaten the continued survival of the human species. "

http://www.nuclearfiles.org/menu/ke.../issues/effects/PDFs/starr_climate_change.pdf

 

[InvestigateTruth]

Aha,so bahaulla is a muslim similar to moses,noah.....etc,
but you are not a muslim but bahaullah,yes,yes,yes,how brilliant you are.

All the divine Messengers of God are Perfect Moslems (they pefectly submit to God's Will)

 

[FearGod]

All the divine Messengers of God are Perfect Moslems (they pefectly submit to God's Will)

the divine messengers are not muslims,but perfect muslims,that make difference,
so bahaullah was called before as a perfect muslim and the rest of his people were called
as muslims then they converted to bahaa and he still was a perfect muslim,that make sense.

 

[FearGod]

"The scientific studies summarized in this paper make it clear that the environmental consequences of a “regional” nuclear conflict could kill hundreds of millions of people far from the war zone. Deadly climate change caused by a war fought with the strategic nuclear arsenals of the U.S. and Russia would threaten the continued survival of the human species. "

http://www.nuclearfiles.org/menu/ke.../issues/effects/PDFs/starr_climate_change.pdf

Yes,that is a complete nonsense because the god of bahaullah will not allow this to happen,i am wondering now if bahaullah's god have the power to do it or not,i hope
if he added that things will done as we planned.

 

[1robin]

Short video about corruption in bible

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Ahmed Deedat Answers- Corruption in Bible or Quran! - YouTube

I have seen this and many other Deedat videos. I like him as a person but find him completely wrong most of the time and intellectually dishonest. Recently computers compared the bulk of over 20,000 manuscripts. In fact with minimal effort I believe anyone can do it themselves. The results were that the bible contains approx 5% meaningful variants. That adds up to a letter or word every three pages. So where do many dishonest bible critics like Deedat and Ehrman get their figures. They for some reason count every variant in every manuscript (even parallel textual traditions) as individual errors. This makes no logical sense. Since we have tens of thousands of manuscripts written in different languages and cultures over more than a thousand years then this bad scholarship will obviously produce many meaningless figures. It also means that the more manuscripts you have (and there for a higher accuracy) by their standards it will result in less accuracy. Bizarre methods. If an excepted modern bible is compared to the oldest Greek texts they are approx 95% identical. This was demonstrated when the dead sea scrolls were compared with modern bibles. This deserves far more discussion but at present I do not have time.

 

[-Peacemaker-]

In that time people were unaware of it so its not ignorant.



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They've been debating the authenticity of the Apocrypha since at least the 1500s, so no Deedat wasn't providing Christians of the 1980s with a stunning new revelation

 

[BruceDLimber]

Then how you agree that islam and christianity are in line with your belief,whereas your religion have different views regarding slavery,even though that you have a wrong idea about slavery in Islam,as Islam always asking to free slaves and that all of us are equal,even rich and poor,but the real winner,who regard himself as a slave to god. Your books always saying that the bible is right,then you are saying slavery in the bible is not as in Bahai,so how you agree that your god is the same of the bible.symbols again.

We don't "always say the Bible is right."

And you're completely ignoring the fact that social teachings, unlike spiritual laws, are INTENTIONALLY temporary and may be altered or abolished by any later Divine Messenger! A fine example is Christ's altering Jewish law as recorded in the Sermon on the Mount.

So there's no problem whatever with the fact that earlier religions taught one thing, and later religions taught something else! That's precisely how Progressive Revelation works.

Peace,

Bruce

 

[BruceDLimber]

You starting to worry me.

Well, it's a dirty job, but SOMEONE'S got to do it!

And your many endorsements of how Christianity supposedly teaches the various things I listed are given the lie by it's history of continued gross opposition to them until very recently! Examples abound, and I'm sure you're aware of them.

Peace,

Bruce

 

[BruceDLimber]

List of religious populations...

And what you ignore:

LOCALITIES WHERE RELIGIONISTS RESIDE

RELIGION.......................NUMBER

Christianity.....................140,000
Baha'i Faith.....................110,000
All others.........................90,000 or fewer

The Baha'i Faith has been in second place since 1991.
Source: Encyclopedia Britannica

Not to mention which, the World Christian Encyclopedia (clearly NOT a Baha'i source) states that the Baha'i Faith is the fastest-growing religion among those already established on over 100 countries.

And of course you ignore the fact that the Baha'i Faith has "no seats" in Iran, the country of its birth, because it's actively oppressed there--hence the many imprisonments and executions of Baha'is in Iran!

Trajedy of Hiroshima and Nagasaki in Japan in the year 1945 was because of the effect of bahaullah teachings,the world is changing gradually.

You also ignore the fact that Baha'u'llah prophesied both world wars, in particular with respect to Germany.

And the Baha'is are in no way "against" the Qur'an! Indeed, we respect it greatly.


Peace,

Bruce

 

[1robin]

Well, it's a dirty job, but SOMEONE'S got to do it!

And your many endorsements of how Christianity supposedly teaches the various things I listed are given the lie by it's history of continued gross opposition to them until very recently! Examples abound, and I'm sure you're aware of them.

Peace,

Bruce

Not only am I unaware, I do not have the slightest idea what you are saying. I would not recommend asserting someone lied and then not showing where or how if you want to continue a discussion with someone.

 

[FearGod]

We don't "always say the Bible is right."

And you're completely ignoring the fact that social teachings, unlike spiritual laws, are INTENTIONALLY temporary and may be altered or abolished by any later Divine Messenger! A fine example is Christ's altering Jewish law as recorded in the Sermon on the Mount.

So there's no problem whatever with the fact that earlier religions taught one thing, and later religions taught something else! That's precisely how Progressive Revelation works.

Peace,

Bruce

And what is the new teachings of bahaullah which was needed and were not informed to the previous messengers but only to Bahaullah

 

[FearGod]

And what you ignore:

LOCALITIES WHERE RELIGIONISTS RESIDE

RELIGION.......................NUMBER

Christianity.....................140,000
Baha'i Faith.....................110,000
All others.........................90,000 or fewer

The Baha'i Faith has been in second place since 1991.
Source: Encyclopedia Britannica

Not to mention which, the World Christian Encyclopedia (clearly NOT a Baha'i source) states that the Baha'i Faith is the fastest-growing religion among those already established on over 100 countries.

And of course you ignore the fact that the Baha'i Faith has "no seats" in Iran, the country of its birth, because it's actively oppressed there--hence the many imprisonments and executions of Baha'is in Iran!




You also ignore the fact that Baha'u'llah prophesied both world wars, in particular with respect to Germany.

And the Baha'is are in no way "against" the Qur'an! Indeed, we respect it greatly.


Peace,

Bruce

Thank you for your post,but you are completely wrong by saying that Baha'i Faith is the fastest-growing religion.

See the reports from the news,

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FOX TV News - Islam World Most Growing Religion 2010 - YouTube

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RT News: Many Americans Converting to Islam Despite Growing Islamaphobia - YouTube

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BBC News Europeans converting to islam - YouTube

 

[Nakosis]

One, I don't think number of believers/members mean anything as far as what is true. I think obviously people are relatively easy to manipulate into believing.

Two, I wouldn't rely on news media reports for accuracy. They are in the business to get viewers more so then verifying the accuracy of their reports.

 

[InvestigateTruth]

Thank you for your post,but you are completely wrong by saying that Baha'i Faith is the fastest-growing religion.

See the reports from the news,

Yea, see the news here:
Fastest Growing Religion - WikiIslam

Oh, so you ignore Wikipedia?
Bahá'í Faith - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[InvestigateTruth]

And what is the new teachings of bahaullah which was needed and were not informed to the previous messengers but only to Bahaullah

There are many which you can read from www.bahai.org .
But one of them which you have so far exposed to, is to correct the wrong interpretation of Quran and Bible!

 

[InvestigateTruth]

Yes,that is a complete nonsense because the god of bahaullah will not allow this to happen,i am wondering now if bahaullah's god have the power to do it or not,i hope
if he added that things will done as we planned.

You are ignoring that there is only One God. That is the God that ALL Manifestations of God brought the Message from!

How did you believe in God? What is your proof?

 

[InvestigateTruth]

the divine messengers are not muslims,but perfect muslims,that make difference,
so bahaullah was called before as a perfect muslim and the rest of his people were called
as muslims then they converted to bahaa and he still was a perfect muslim,that make sense.

You seem to stick with "names" instead of the fundamental teachings!

 

[Nakosis]

There are many which you can read from www.bahai.org .
But one of them which you have so far exposed to, is to correct the wrong interpretation of Quran and Bible!

What do you see as wrong with the interpretation of the Bible.

I'm asking of the Bible to keep it simple and because I'm more familiar with it.

 

[FearGod]

You seem to stick with "names" instead of the fundamental teachings!

And what is that great fundamental teachings that god had sent with your beloved bahaullah


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