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Atheist: Vegetarian Atheists

religion99

Active Member
I believe Jainism is very similar to Veg Atheists.
1. Both have arrived at the conclusion that there is no God who created
The World.
2. Both practise REAL compassion to all the living beings , including
Animals.

Just wondering if Veggy Atheists have ever considered Jainism
or discarded it due to
1 lack of information.
2. too small to consider.
3. Too hard to follow.
4. Analysed and discarded due to a conflict in belief.

In indian system of religion classification , Jainism is classified
As Atheist System.
 
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Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
I believe Jainism is very similar to Veg Atheists.
1. Both have arrived at the conclusion that there is no God who created
The World.

That could be, but the vegetarian atheists certainly wouldn't recognise it, as most atheists (at least in my experience) don't care enough about religion to really study it out. My son is a vegetarian atheist and he's never heard of Jainism.
 

lunakilo

Well-Known Member
I believe Jainism is very similar to Veg Atheists.
1. Both have arrived at the conclusion that there is no God who created
The World.
2. Both practise REAL compassion to all the living beings , including
Animals.

Just wondering if Veggy Atheists have ever considered Jainism
or discarded it due to
1 lack of information.
2. too small to consider.
3. Too hard to follow.
4. Analysed and discarded due to a conflict in belief.

In indian system of religion classification , Jainism is classified
As Atheist System.
My guess is that atheists who are vegetarian did not become vegetarian because they wanted to find a religion/philosophy that incorporates being a vegetarian.
So they are probably not any more (or any less) interested in Jainism that in any other religion.
 

Splarnst

Active Member
2. Both practise REAL compassion to all the living beings, including Animals.
No, not necessarily. Just because you don't eat meat doesn't you're always compassionate to animals. Vegetarians can wear leather or beat their dogs.

In indian system of religion classification , Jainism is classified As Atheist System.
It's atheist, but it's not naturalist. There are still supernatural souls, reincarnation, karma, etc. Unless I see some evidence of such things, then I'm not interested in Jainism.
 

Valjean

Veteran Member
Premium Member
"both arrived at the conclusion that there is no God?"

When did atheists arrive at that conclusion?
Strong atheists maybe, but not your basic, weak atheists.
 

religion99

Active Member
No, not necessarily. Just because you don't eat meat doesn't you're always compassionate to animals. Vegetarians can wear leather or beat their dogs.

It's atheist, but it's not naturalist. There are still supernatural souls, reincarnation, karma, etc. Unless I see some evidence of such things, then I'm not interested in Jainism.


Hi Splarnst,

I looked at your blog. I am impressed. Clearly , you have done a lot of investigation in all kind of things in life and come to your current conclusion.

Can you define precisely two words you mentioned in you reply so that I understand where you come from:

1. Supernatural
2. Evidence

Looking forward to the reply.

Thanks
 

The Sum of Awe

Brought to you by the moment that spacetime began.
I believe Jainism is very similar to Veg Atheists.
1. Both have arrived at the conclusion that there is no God who created
The World.
2. Both practise REAL compassion to all the living beings , including
Animals.

Yes, but there are no souls or reincarnation, as Splarnst said.

Just wondering if Veggy Atheists have ever considered Jainism
or discarded it due to
1 lack of information.
2. too small to consider.
3. Too hard to follow.
4. Analysed and discarded due to a conflict in belief.

In indian system of religion classification , Jainism is classified
As Atheist System.

It's far too spiritual, dharmic, moral-focused, and earth-centre for me. Also, I think many would consider Jainism atheistic, being that atheism is a theological view that may pertain to a religion, and being that Jainism doesn't believe in Gods, it is thereby atheistic.

An atheist doesn't have to believe in evolution, can believe in an afterlife, can believe in unicorns, can even believe the Sun has a big ol' smiley face and talks to us. Just can't believe in God, if they do they are no longer an atheist.
 

The Sum of Awe

Brought to you by the moment that spacetime began.
Actually, a lot of famous atheists are vegetarians or at least have symphony to the animal rights idea, so just take a man like Richard Dawkins or Charles Darwin and compare them to a 'hardcore' Jain
 

Splarnst

Active Member
@Religion 99

The best definition of supernatural that I have seen is “mental things which cannot be reduced to nonmental things,” but it requires some explanation.

I don't have a strict definition of evidence. Really, it's anything that makes a proposition more likely to be true. I prefer evidence accessible to everyone (i.e., not subjective experience [mysticism] or perception [aesthetics]) because I think it's stronger, but I'll take what I can get.
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
Darwin founded an exotic animal-eating club.
When he was in the Galapagos, he didn't only notice that species' appearance and and physiology varied slightly from island to island along the archipelago; he made journal entries remarking that their flavour varied from island to island as well. :D
 

The Sum of Awe

Brought to you by the moment that spacetime began.
Darwin founded an exotic animal-eating club.

Wrong actually:

There is no fundamental difference between man and the higher animals in their mental faculties.… The lower animals, like man, manifestly feel pleasure and pain, happiness, and misery.
—Charles Darwin

The love for all living creatures is the most noble attribute of man.
—Charles Darwin


From the sound of it, he didn't find or even wish to become a member of an "exotic animal-eating club"
 

Drolefille

PolyPanGeekGirl
Wrong actually:

There is no fundamental difference between man and the higher animals in their mental faculties.… The lower animals, like man, manifestly feel pleasure and pain, happiness, and misery.
—Charles Darwin

The love for all living creatures is the most noble attribute of man.
—Charles Darwin


From the sound of it, he didn't find or even wish to become a member of an "exotic animal-eating club"
You may not think so, but:
1. Darwin Once Ate an Owl

darwin-owl.jpg
Darwin was an inquisitive man. Sure he was curious about nature and all that science stuff, but he's also a guy. So when he saw strange animals, he often wondered what they would taste like. The difference between Darwin and the rest of us is that he actually ate 'em!
While he was at Cambridge University, Darwin joined the "Gourmet Club," which met once a week to eat animals not often found in menus, like hawk and bittern (a type of wading bird in the heron family). His zeal for weird food, however, broke down when he tried an old brown owl, which he found "indescribable."
But that one episode didn't end Darwin's weird gastronomic proclivities. During the voyage of the Beagle, he ate armadillos and agoutis (the rodents were "best meat I ever tasted," he said).
In Patagonia, South America, Darwin ate a puma (it tasted like veal) and an ostrich-like bird called a Rhea. Actually, Darwin had been looking for this particular species of Rhea, only to find that he had been eating one all along. He sent back the uneaten parts to the Zoological Society in London, which named the bird Rhea darwinii after him!
In the Galapagos, Darwin ate iguanas and giant tortoises. He liked it so much he loaded up 48 of them aboard the Beagle, to be eaten on the journey back!
10 Fun Facts About Charles Darwin
QI Talk Forum | View topic - Darwin's Dinners
The life and letters of Charles Darwin: including an autobiographical chapter - Charles Darwin, Sir Francis Darwin - Google Books

Several of his friends celebrated their examination successes by forming a weekly club dining in each other's rooms in rotation, possibly officially called the Gourmet Club but commonly known as the Glutton Club. The latter name was proposed to ridicule another group whose Greek title meant "fond of dainties", but who dined out on "Mutton Chops, or Beans & Bacon". The Glutton Club attempted to live up to their title by experimentally dining on "birds and beasts which were before unknown to human palate" and tried hawk and bittern, but gave up after eating an old brown owl, "which was indescribable". They had more amusement from concluding each meeting with "a game of mild vingt-et-un".[38]

Charles Darwin's education - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 

religion99

Active Member
@Religion 99

The best definition of supernatural that I have seen is “mental things which cannot be reduced to nonmental things,” but it requires some explanation.

1. Knowledge exists.
2. Knowledge cannot be reduced to nonmental things.

1. And 2. implies that:
3. Knowledge is supernatural.
Which implies that Supernatural exists.
 
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