Minister writes "sex book" using the **** word

[Skwim]

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"Mark Driscoll, the pastor of a megachurch in the Seattle area, understands the uniqueness of a man in his profession coauthoring a book about sex with his wife. From the chapter on biblical approval of detailed types of sex to the chapter titled “Selfish Lovers and Servant Lovers,” the book is far from a timid look at a usually private subject.

And that has struck a nerve with a large swath of believers whose reactions have propelled the book to a trending topic on Twitter and has elicited responses that range from praise to disgust.

. . . the backlash against the book stems largely from the revealing chapter titled “Can we ___?” The Driscolls fill in that blank throughout the chapter by using different forms of sex and then answering whether the act is biblically lawful. This chapter even comes with a disclaimer, warning conservative readers or readers who “live far away from a major city” that they may want to sit down while reading.

Denny Burk, a Biblical studies professor at Boyce college and popular blogger, writes the chapter is inherently flawed because Driscoll’s interpretation of 1 Corinthians 6:12,* his main argument in allowing many of the sex acts, is incorrect. Even more, writes Burk, this chapter could be dangerous.

I think chapter 10 has the potential to wreak havoc in such marriages where one spouse will feel a whole range of taboos to be “permissible” if he can convince his spouse to participate. This to me seems like a recipe for marital disaster, and I do not think the Driscolls’ requirement of “helpfulness” mitigates the difficulty.

Among the activities that the authors deem permissible within this taxonomy are masturbation, felatio/cunnilingus, sodomy (on both spouses), menstrual sex, role-playing, sex toys, birth control, cosmetic surgery, cybersex, and sexual medication.
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Interesting that Denny Burk has the man and not the woman bringing the "taboo" into the relationship. As if a woman would have no such notions. However, I do think he has a point in noting that many people (Christians in this context) aren't ready for talk about sex for pleasure, and would be offended at the idea.


*1 Corinthians 6:12
New American Standard Bible

12 All things are lawful for me, but not all things are profitable. All things are lawful for me, but I will not be mastered by anything.

 

[Me Myself]

What the heck is sexual medication o.0?

 

[Skwim]

What the heck is sexual medication o.0?

I would imagine stuff like Viagra, or maybe lubes.

 

[fantome profane]

What the heck is sexual medication o.0?

When I get that feelin, I need sexual healing

 

[nnmartin]

sounds like another garbage 'armchair book for the masses' written by liberal Christian.

How does he overturn the biblical message against having sex with a menstruating woman?

What does he say about more controversial issues?

 

[Skwim]

sounds like another garbage 'armchair book for the masses' written by liberal Christian.

Because he talks frankly about sex in a Christian context, or that he simply talks frankly about sex?

How does he overturn the biblical message against having sex with a menstruating woman?

Like the many other controversial passages in the Bible, I imagine it's just a matter of interpretation.

What does he say about more controversial issues?

Such as?

 

[nnmartin]

The messages in the Bible are clear enough if you take the whole context into account.


Other issues such as: Pre-Marital, Non-hetero, Threesomes etc..

does he just stay on the safe side and stick with married couples though? - sounds boring and lightweight if he does!

 

[Skwim]

The messages in the Bible are clear enough if you take the whole context into account.

The approximately 38,000 Christian denominations in the world indicates differently.

does he just stay on the safe side and stick with married couples though? - sounds boring and lightweight if he does!

Well, the book is titled Real Marriage: . . . , so I expect that's what he sticks with.

 

[nnmartin]

sounds like a bit of a yawn.

however, if he were to include drunken sado-masochistic orgies I might buy it!

- not entirely sure how you could alter the Bible to accept that one but no doubt it's possible - where there's a will there's a way

 

[Me Myself]

sounds like a bit of a yawn.

however, if he were to include drunken sado-masochistic orgies I might buy it!

- not entirely sure how you could alter the Bible to accept that one but no doubt it's possible - where there's a will there's a way

Like people interpreting the bible so it doesn´t say we should stone the rebellious children we have. It is definetely in the bible and incredibly clear at that.

I don´t know how anybody can interpret it otherwise, escept for the fact that where there´s will there´s a way

 

[nnmartin]

Old Testament Law and Law of Jesus are two different things. (re: rebellious children etc.)

With the coming of Jesus all those kinds of OT Laws were relegated.

 

[JacobEzra.]

Old Testament Law and Law of Jesus are two different things. (re: rebellious children etc.)

With the coming of Jesus all those kinds of OT Laws were relegated.

Like homosexuality being an abomonation?

What law did Jess establish?

 

[JacobEzra.]

The messages in the Bible are clear enough if you take the whole context into account.


Other issues such as: Pre-Marital, Non-hetero, Threesomes etc..

does he just stay on the safe side and stick with married couples though? - sounds boring and lightweight if he does!

I agree. Playboy sounds much more entertaining

 

[Sunstone]

I think chapter 10 has the potential to wreak havoc in such marriages where one spouse will feel a whole range of taboos to be “permissible” if he can convince his spouse to participate. This to me seems like a recipe for marital disaster, and I do not think the Driscolls’ requirement of “helpfulness” mitigates the difficulty.

Among the activities that the authors deem permissible within this taxonomy are masturbation, felatio/cunnilingus, sodomy (on both spouses), menstrual sex, role-playing, sex toys, birth control, cosmetic surgery, cybersex, and sexual medication.

It seems a lot of marriages end in dissatisfaction and alienation because the partners are sexually incompatible. You cannot increase sexual compatibility by telling one partner that his or her desires are not to be met -- regardless of what those desires are. So, it seems to me missing the mark to try to solve the compatibility problem by dictating what kind of sex is permissible. The only way to really solve -- or at least ameliorate -- the compatibility problem is to marry people you're compatible with.

 

[DandyAndy]

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"Mark Driscoll, the pastor of a megachurch in the Seattle area, understands the uniqueness of a man in his profession coauthoring a book about sex with his wife. From the chapter on biblical approval of detailed types of sex to the chapter titled “Selfish Lovers and Servant Lovers,” the book is far from a timid look at a usually private subject.

And that has struck a nerve with a large swath of believers whose reactions have propelled the book to a trending topic on Twitter and has elicited responses that range from praise to disgust.

. . . the backlash against the book stems largely from the revealing chapter titled “Can we ___?” The Driscolls fill in that blank throughout the chapter by using different forms of sex and then answering whether the act is biblically lawful. This chapter even comes with a disclaimer, warning conservative readers or readers who “live far away from a major city” that they may want to sit down while reading.

Denny Burk, a Biblical studies professor at Boyce college and popular blogger, writes the chapter is inherently flawed because Driscoll’s interpretation of 1 Corinthians 6:12,* his main argument in allowing many of the sex acts, is incorrect. Even more, writes Burk, this chapter could be dangerous.

I think chapter 10 has the potential to wreak havoc in such marriages where one spouse will feel a whole range of taboos to be “permissible” if he can convince his spouse to participate. This to me seems like a recipe for marital disaster, and I do not think the Driscolls’ requirement of “helpfulness” mitigates the difficulty.

Among the activities that the authors deem permissible within this taxonomy are masturbation, felatio/cunnilingus, sodomy (on both spouses), menstrual sex, role-playing, sex toys, birth control, cosmetic surgery, cybersex, and sexual medication.
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Interesting that Denny Burk has the man and not the woman bringing the "taboo" into the relationship. As if a woman would have no such notions. However, I do think he has a point in noting that many people (Christians in this context) aren't ready for talk about sex for pleasure, and would be offended at the idea.


*1 Corinthians 6:12
New American Standard Bible

12 All things are lawful for me, but not all things are profitable. All things are lawful for me, but I will not be mastered by anything.

Does he clarify that this 'wild' stuff is permissible in a committed marriage situation?

If so, I say go for it as long as you don't introduce a third party or pornography. If both parties are ok with oral sex or Viagra or birth control and they aren't convicted by the Holy Spirit and their conciseness is clear, go ahead and have fun (within marriage of course).

:run:

 

[nnmartin]

doesn't sound like a very good book to me.

It would be a lot more interesting if he tried to leave the whole marriage concept out of it.

Since when did a marriage certificate give you the license to become a sex-obsessed hedonist anyway?

 

[Draka]

This pastor is a hoot. This is the same guy who, when he found out the WBC was going to picket his church, sent them an invitation that welcomed them to his "whore house for God's grace and free donuts".

 

[Shadow Wolf]

How does he overturn the biblical message against having sex with a menstruating woman?

It could be because it's not unsanitary, and it helps to relieve menstrual symptoms, especially cramps. Actually I would say any husband who truly loves his wife would have no issues on giving his wife sex while she is menstruating if only to help ease the pains.

Since when did a marriage certificate give you the license to become a sex-obsessed hedonist anyway?

There is a very big difference between indulging in and enjoying sex and your sexuality with your partner, and being obsessed with it. Actually sex helps to add to your lifespan, and when a couple is able to discuss sexual fantasies and desires and participate in them it a sign of a very good and healthy relationship. Being obsessed with sex is when it gets to the point of controlling your life, is really no different than any drug addiction, and can be a potential indicator of a detrimental environmental setting.

I think it's pretty cool that a pastor and his wife would author such a book. Many pastors will say sex is ok within marriage, but not too many are willing to actually talk about and anything more than the most bland of sexual positions.

 

[Gaura Priya]

I think it's pretty cool that a pastor and his wife would author such a book. Many pastors will say sex is ok within marriage, but not too many are willing to actually talk about and anything more than the most bland of sexual positions.

The missionary could use some new positioning... :flirt:

 

[nnmartin]

I just think it's pretty bland all round that this guy writes a book that is supposedly risque yet in no way challenges the pre-marital sex ban.

sounds like a tonic for bored , guilty married Christians.