krsnaraja
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And I am not a member of any Catholic organizations like Opus Dei by any means.
Its alright if you are not a member of any Catholic organization. I`m not even a member of ISKCON.
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And I am not a member of any Catholic organizations like Opus Dei by any means.
There`s a post from Thief somewhere who said he has never been defeated. You mean nobody accepts defeat in this religious debate forum? There is no sense continuing a debate in this forum if nobody among us here accepts defeat!
What does it mean to defeat someone in a debate? I think the only real victory is to change someone's opinion, which only comes after a really hard thrashing.
Changing the other guy's opinion can take a long time. In the passion of a confrontational debate, opinions rarely change. But over a period of months or years, people who seriously engage these debates will sometimes experience a sea change.
You've never heard of leaving something at loose ends?My point here is that if there are no winners or losers in a religious debate then the issues discussed is not a debate anymore. It`s called sharing one`s religious views.
I'll accept defeat if the facts do not support my argument, or if I find I am being irrational.
Have you been irrational before or the facts did not support your argument? If you ask me this question my answer is maybe.
There`s a post from Thief somewhere who said he has never been defeated. You mean nobody accepts defeat in this religious debate forum? There is no sense continuing a debate in this forum if nobody among us here accepts defeat!
noone wins either. i think it is for understanding, not for winning
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In college, the brightest in the class are recipients of the school`s organizing a debate usually political. The brightest are divided into two groups. One is the PRO & the other is the CON. Don`t tell me nobody wins in this kind of debate? There should be someone assigned to make decisions on who wins in these debates. Otherwise it`s called in chess a perpetual check & therefore a draw. Yes you learned something from it & had fun as well. But the energies being expended during the course of these debates if you will realize may have caused an earthquake say in Turkey or a tsunami say in Japan. These religious debates are flapping of butterflies wings e.g. Chaos Theory & should be resolved immediately lest it will cause the destruction of planet earth.
I propose some kind of a "refereed debate" forum on this site, assuming there isn't one somewhere already.
If I accept your affirmation as true, and though accept defeat on the fact that nobody accepts defeat... do we implode reality?
Let us then divide by zero.
De feet!
Deal with it.
There`s a post from Thief somewhere who said he has never been defeated. You mean nobody accepts defeat in this religious debate forum? There is no sense continuing a debate in this forum if nobody among us here accepts defeat!
When two or more people are discussing an issue from fundamentally different starting points it's unlikely that the issue is going to be resolved. In it's simplest form when a person who accepts the existence of God and another person doesn't those issues which are dependent on belief or lack of belief in that God are unlikely to be resolved. This is particularly true when an discussion revolves around scriptural claims which the theist takes as being true on face value and which the atheist is unlikely to accept as having any validity.
Despite this there are instances where a theists and atheists can hold to the same view for completely different reasons, such as a theist respecting life because they believe it to be God created it and an atheist respecting life because they believe life has inherent value. Under such circumstances there is ample room for agreement and constructive discussion on issues of the value of life.