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Nobody accepts defeat in a religious debate

Awoon

Well-Known Member
There`s a post from Thief somewhere who said he has never been defeated. You mean nobody accepts defeat in this religious debate forum? There is no sense continuing a debate in this forum if nobody among us here accepts defeat!


Nobody in the religions ever come clean with their beliefs. That way nobody accepts defeat.
 

AmbiguousGuy

Well-Known Member
What does it mean to defeat someone in a debate? I think the only real victory is to change someone's opinion, which only comes after a really hard thrashing.

Changing the other guy's opinion can take a long time. In the passion of a confrontational debate, opinions rarely change. But over a period of months or years, people who seriously engage these debates will sometimes experience a sea change.
 

krsnaraja

Active Member
Changing the other guy's opinion can take a long time. In the passion of a confrontational debate, opinions rarely change. But over a period of months or years, people who seriously engage these debates will sometimes experience a sea change.

That`s precisely we end up all here at general religious debates. It will take us years to resolve what we have debated. The more we are held-up in this forum the better for the Religious Forum organizers to savor & knowing RF`s cash register is kling kling kling kling...:D
 

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
My point here is that if there are no winners or losers in a religious debate then the issues discussed is not a debate anymore. It`s called sharing one`s religious views.
You've never heard of leaving something at loose ends?
 

Photonic

Ad astra!
Have you been irrational before or the facts did not support your argument? If you ask me this question my answer is maybe.

Yes, I re-orientate and continue unless the conclusion supports the opposing viewpoint. I have been wrong.
 

Me Myself

Back to my username
If I accept your affirmation as true, and though accept defeat on the fact that nobody accepts defeat... do we implode reality? :eek:
 

.lava

Veteran Member
There`s a post from Thief somewhere who said he has never been defeated. You mean nobody accepts defeat in this religious debate forum? There is no sense continuing a debate in this forum if nobody among us here accepts defeat!

noone wins either. i think it is for understanding, not for winning

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krsnaraja

Active Member
noone wins either. i think it is for understanding, not for winning

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In college, the brightest in the class are recipients of the school`s organizing a debate usually political. The brightest are divided into two groups. One is the PRO & the other is the CON. Don`t tell me nobody wins in this kind of debate? There should be someone assigned to make decisions on who wins in these debates. Otherwise it`s called in chess a perpetual check & therefore a draw. Yes you learned something from it & had fun as well. But the energies being expended during the course of these debates if you will realize may have caused an earthquake say in Turkey or a tsunami say in Japan. These religious debates are flapping of butterflies wings e.g. Chaos Theory & should be resolved immediately lest it will cause the destruction of planet earth.
 

Shermana

Heretic
In college, the brightest in the class are recipients of the school`s organizing a debate usually political. The brightest are divided into two groups. One is the PRO & the other is the CON. Don`t tell me nobody wins in this kind of debate? There should be someone assigned to make decisions on who wins in these debates. Otherwise it`s called in chess a perpetual check & therefore a draw. Yes you learned something from it & had fun as well. But the energies being expended during the course of these debates if you will realize may have caused an earthquake say in Turkey or a tsunami say in Japan. These religious debates are flapping of butterflies wings e.g. Chaos Theory & should be resolved immediately lest it will cause the destruction of planet earth.

I propose some kind of a "refereed debate" forum on this site, assuming there isn't one somewhere already.
 

krsnaraja

Active Member
I propose some kind of a "refereed debate" forum on this site, assuming there isn't one somewhere already.

In elections, board or corporate, the ones chosen to count the votes are not allowed to vote. The reason is obvious why the canvasser of votes can`t participate in the campaign & voting. The referee in the debate can only referee but has no say on who won in the debate. In other words the referee inhibits himself from casting his vote on a particular debater or making an impression to the viewers that this particular debater is better than this & that debater.

To find out who really won in the religious debate- RF members cast their votes on the one who started the debate. A box is placed after his post by either checking if in the affirmative & crossing if his subsequent explanations can`t stand further scrutiny from the opposition. Anymore suggestions on how to go around it-full circle?
 

Willamena

Just me
Premium Member
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De feet!

Deal with it.
 
There`s a post from Thief somewhere who said he has never been defeated. You mean nobody accepts defeat in this religious debate forum? There is no sense continuing a debate in this forum if nobody among us here accepts defeat!

When two or more people are discussing an issue from fundamentally different starting points it's unlikely that the issue is going to be resolved. In it's simplest form when a person who accepts the existence of God and another person doesn't those issues which are dependent on belief or lack of belief in that God are unlikely to be resolved. This is particularly true when an discussion revolves around scriptural claims which the theist takes as being true on face value and which the atheist is unlikely to accept as having any validity.

Despite this there are instances where a theists and atheists can hold to the same view for completely different reasons, such as a theist respecting life because they believe it to be God created it and an atheist respecting life because they believe life has inherent value. Under such circumstances there is ample room for agreement and constructive discussion on issues of the value of life.
 

krsnaraja

Active Member
When two or more people are discussing an issue from fundamentally different starting points it's unlikely that the issue is going to be resolved. In it's simplest form when a person who accepts the existence of God and another person doesn't those issues which are dependent on belief or lack of belief in that God are unlikely to be resolved. This is particularly true when an discussion revolves around scriptural claims which the theist takes as being true on face value and which the atheist is unlikely to accept as having any validity.

Despite this there are instances where a theists and atheists can hold to the same view for completely different reasons, such as a theist respecting life because they believe it to be God created it and an atheist respecting life because they believe life has inherent value. Under such circumstances there is ample room for agreement and constructive discussion on issues of the value of life.

Somethings never change. People agree to disagree. The only way I guess to resolve this issue is to go to bed. If he`s a gay, I massage his back. If she`s a lesbian, I massage her front. If he`s a guy, I let him massage my back. If she`s a woman, I let her...guess? :D

Pun aside. You`re correct. But most here do it for fun, camaraderie & to learn things which they did not learn in kindergarten. & most specially, human beings are by nature are social beings. They need to entwine with other human beings be it in the medium of a debate or in a heated discussion. You`d be more afraid if the people you debate with say only a few words.
 
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