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Why ask for proof and evidence?

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
What I find more curious is why people ask for these things and then constrain the criteria of what constitutes proof or evidence to something so narrow that they will never receive it. Why even ask the question if you rig the deck to make answering it impossible?
When you go to the Lamborghini dealership, why does the salesperson give you a price so high she knows you can never afford it? Why even set a price if they're going to make it impossible for you to purchase it?
 

Biblestudent_007

Active Member
When you go to the Lamborghini dealership, why does the salesperson give you a price so high she knows you can never afford it? Why even set a price if they're going to make it impossible for you to purchase it?

Purchasing a Lamborghini is just acquiring ownership of a material possession ~ just like worldly riches . . . Theoretically you could have it all. Real estate,houses,own stocks, have lots of $money$ etc. . . .
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
Purchasing a Lamborghini is just acquiring ownership of a material possession ~ just like worldly riches . . . Theoretically you could have it all. Real estate,houses,own stocks, have lots of $money$ etc. . . .
I think you missed my point: the price of the Lamborghini has nothing to do with your ability to afford it, and the standard of evidence we need to tell whether something is true has nothing to do with your ability to meet it.
 
What's the story with people asking for proof and evidence? :shrug:

It's not unreasonable to expect someone to substantiate their position with proof/evidence either when it's simply a matter of curiosity or if more seriously the views of others have a direct impact on an individuals life or issues they have an interest in.

Granted there are some faith based assertions which have little or no consequences and therefore there is little point asking questions about because it's not worth the hassle when you know the person you're question can't supply you with a decent answer.

Wanna believe in God. Knock yourself out :beach:
 

Jayhawker Soule

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Premium Member
The more interesting question is this: Why do some find the request for evidence so inappropriate and uncomfortable?
 

Walkntune

Well-Known Member
I think you missed my point: the price of the Lamborghini has nothing to do with your ability to afford it, and the standard of evidence we need to tell whether something is true has nothing to do with your ability to meet it.
Who is this we that needs a standard of evidence? For some healing of depression or different infirmities is all that is necessary.Is there a standard that is necessary?
This is why you are saved by faith? The only standard of evidence that is necessary is the one that will take them across the river Jordan from their head to their heart!
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
Who is this we that needs a standard of evidence? For some healing of depression or different infirmities is all that is necessary.Is there a standard that is necessary?
Sure. For starters, a demonstration that whatever healing is happening, it occurs at a greater rate than is expected by random chance, and evidence that the cause you suggest is responsible as opposed to something else.

Another handy way to establish at least a minimum standard of evidence: if your standard allows two conflicting claims to be "demonstrated to be true" at the same time, then you know it's too low.

This is why you are saved by faith? The only standard of evidence that is necessary is the one that will take them across the river Jordan from their head to their heart!
What does this even mean?
 

Walkntune

Well-Known Member
What does this even mean?
It basically means that there is no amount of evidence that will satisfy or convince mans carnal mind of the existance of God.
Romans 8:7
7Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
It basically means that there is no amount of evidence that will satisfy or convince mans carnal mind of the existance of God.
Romans 8:7
7Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
You say that as if you think we have a mind other than our "carnal mind"; what would make you think that this is the case?
 
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