the temple? ark of the covenant?

[Martinisconfused]

is the 3rd temple ever going to happen? i think the ark of the covenant has to be found first. this should be a thread by itself. possible locations: Under the temple mount, ethopia, england. maybe i should have said the 4th temple because there was a temple built in Elephantine Island Egypt and Tel Arad in Israel. Any comments would be appreciated

 

[Bob Dixon]

is the 3rd temple ever going to happen? i think the ark of the covenant has to be found first. this should be a thread by itself. possible locations: Under the temple mount, ethopia, england. maybe i should have said the 4th temple because there was a temple built in Elephantine Island Egypt and Tel Arad in Israel. Any comments would be appreciated

Well, the Messiah has to come first.
Or, rather, a Messiah who the Jews accept has to come first.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

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[Flankerl]

Yeah uhm.


I've seen a documentary about the ark being in some wooden box in the US... forgot the name though.

 

[Levite]

I've seen a documentary about the ark being in some wooden box in the US... forgot the name though.

You are so awesome.

is the 3rd temple ever going to happen? i think the ark of the covenant has to be found first. this should be a thread by itself. possible locations: Under the temple mount, ethopia, england. maybe i should have said the 4th temple because there was a temple built in Elephantine Island Egypt and Tel Arad in Israel. Any comments would be appreciated

It will be the Third Temple. The shrines at Elephantine, and at Tel Arad, and Bet El, and at other places in Northern Israel were all unauthorized shrines, where YHVH was worshipped alongside other gods, and the priesthood was not properly made up of Levites. We do not count them as sacred Temples.

Most Jews who believe in a more or less literal messianism (which is probably only around half the Jewish People, if not even less) do believe that a Third Temple will be built when the messiah comes. But it is unclear whether the lost items from the Second Temple will be rediscovered, or whether new items will be made for the Third Temple (most of the items from the First Temple were not recovered, and new ones had to be made). The original ark of the covenant, it should be noted, was lost during the First Temple period, and had to be replaced then. For the last couple of centuries it stood, the ark in the First Temple was empty; and so was the ark in the Second Temple.

Although there are a couple of places where locals are said to guard the lost ark of the covenant, I find it extremely unlikely that it should actually be in any of those spots. I think, unfortunately, it is truly lost, forever, unless by some miracle the messiah will know where to find it.

But in any case, I would imagine that the Temple will be built when the messiah comes, and the things to go in will come later, one way or the other. Regardless, what will speed the messiah's coming is not finding a lost object, no matter how holy, but the efforts of people to overcome baseless hatred, figure out how to live together in something approaching harmony, and remedy the injustices that plague our societies.

 

[sooda]

Yeah uhm.


I've seen a documentary about the ark being in some wooden box in the US... forgot the name though.

What do you think of this tradition?

At some point, the Ark disappeared from Jerusalem. The mystery of what became of such an important and sacred artifact continues to fascinate archaeologists, historians and believers alike. There are no shortage of theories as to its fate and current location, which include a Jerusalem tunnel and the top of Mt. Nebo in Jordan.

To Ethiopian Christians and Jews, the location of the Ark of the Covenant is no mystery. According to the Ethiopian royal chronicles, the Ark left Jerusalem much earlier than generally thought - in the days of King Solomon - and went to Ethiopia by the hand of Menelik, the son of King Solomon and the Queen of Sheba. (The Bible tells of a meeting between the monarchs (1 Kings 10), but not a marriage or Prince Menelik.)

Chapel of the Ark of the Covenant - Axum, Ethiopia

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

is the 3rd temple ever going to happen? i think the ark of the covenant has to be found first. this should be a thread by itself. possible locations: Under the temple mount, ethopia, england. maybe i should have said the 4th temple because there was a temple built in Elephantine Island Egypt and Tel Arad in Israel. Any comments would be appreciated

The Ark was found in Tanis just before the Second World war. There's a documentary about it.

 

[sooda]

The Ark was found in Tanis just before the Second World war. There's a documentary about it.

I thought it was in Axum.. I'll have to look up this Tanis.

You know ALL the Bedouin tribes in the ME carried their gods from place to place in a box on a litter. Often it was a meteorite or piece of a meteorite.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

I thought it was in Axum.. I'll have to look up this Tanis.

You know ALL the Bedouin tribes in the ME carried their gods from place to place in a box on a litter. Often it was a meteorite or piece of a meteorite.

Tanis - Wikipedia

 

[sooda]

Tanis - Wikipedia

LOLOL.. You had me going .. I was asking myself just how many Arks are there?

 

[Tumah]

What do you think of this tradition?

At some point, the Ark disappeared from Jerusalem. The mystery of what became of such an important and sacred artifact continues to fascinate archaeologists, historians and believers alike. There are no shortage of theories as to its fate and current location, which include a Jerusalem tunnel and the top of Mt. Nebo in Jordan.

To Ethiopian Christians and Jews, the location of the Ark of the Covenant is no mystery.

According to the Talmud, King Josiah hid it.

I was asking myself just how many Arks are there?

According to the Talmud, two. A temporary one made by Moses to hold the Tablets and the permanent one made by Betzalel.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

LOLOL.. You had me going .. I was asking myself just how many Arks are there?

It's funny you put it like that. When I was a little kid, I thought the big warehouse full off wooden crates at the end of the movie was full of Arks, one in each crate.

 

[sooda]

According to the Talmud, King Josiah hid it.

According to the Talmud, two. A temporary one made by Moses to hold the Tablets and the permanent one made by Betzalel.

The Muslim version goes like this:

When Menelik reached manhood he traveled from Yemen/Ethiopia to Jerusalem to meet his father king Solomon. Solomon was beset with treacherous priests and scribes who had turned against him so he gave the Ark to Menelik for safe keeping and Menelik gave it to the Jews of Axum.

Fanciful, but still a nice story.

 

[Tumah]

The Muslim version goes like this:

When Menelik reached manhood he traveled from Yemen/Ethiopia to Jerusalem to meet his father king Solomon. Solomon was beset with treacherous priests and scribes who had turned against him so he gave the Ark to Menelik for safe keeping and Menelik gave it to the Jews of Axum.

Fanciful, but still a nice story.

Sounds like an opportunity to spotlight the always-treacherous Jewish teachers and leaders.

 

[sooda]

Sounds like an opportunity to spotlight the always-treacherous Jewish teachers and leaders.

Perhaps.. I have read that Solomon raised taxes to a burdensome level.

 

[Tumah]

Perhaps.. I have read that Solomon raised taxes to a burdensome level.

That we don't find any complaints about until Rehoboam.

 

[sooda]

That we don't find any complaints about until Rehoboam.

Right. Evidently the people wanted Rehoboam to fix the tax problem.

 

[Tumah]

Right. Evidently the people wanted Rehoboam to fix the tax problem.

Alternatively, the people did not feel that Rehoboam had the same grounds to maintain those high tax rates as Solomon did. Which is why they didn't complain to Solomon who built the Temple, but to Rehoboam who built nothing.

 

[sooda]

Alternatively, the people did not feel that Rehoboam had the same grounds to maintain those high tax rates as Solomon did. Which is why they didn't complain to Solomon who built the Temple, but to Rehoboam who built nothing.

Point taken.

Rehoboam - Jewish Virtual Library
https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/rehoboam
Possibly Rehoboam refrained from fortifying his border with the kingdom of Israel as an expression of his refusal to accept the split. Although the list of the fortified cities built by Rehoboam appears in the Bible before the account of Pharaoh *Shishak 's invasion of Palestine, most scholars are of the opinion that Rehoboam carried out the work of fortification only after the Egyptian campaign.

 

[Terry Sampson]

I bought and read Graham Hancock's "The Sign and the Seal" (1992). 179 Reviews. If you read them, consider starting with those with the fewest stars.
@Kangaroo Feathers , Searched briefly and quickly for a documentary that fit your description of one, placing the ark in Tanis, but I was unable to find it. If you remember the title, I'd be interested in hearing of it.

Although this anecdote will not enhance my credibility, in the mid-1970s, I was briefly associated with the St. John the Baptist Community of the Catholic Charismatic Renewal in San Francisco, (much to the dismay of my mother: my father was a Missouri Synod Lutheran pastor in San Francisco at the time.). During that period, I came into frequent contact with Baptist Charismatics who looked forward to the building of the third Temple in Jerusalem and the Rapture. Since then, I have held the unconfirmed theory that, John Hagee's "Christians United For Israel" quietly hope for the day that construction of the Third Temple begins. John Hagee and his ilk have the ear of the current President, DJT. For that reason, I was astonished and had serious misgivings when high-level evangelical Christians showed up and participated in the opening of the U.S. consulate in Jerusalem not so long ago.