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Atheists: why the Christians?

Snailcall

New Member
I can understand the reasoning for not believing in any sort of deity. However, it seems to me that most of the time atheists focus only on how wrong Christianity is, forgoing other religions. It isn't often that you see atheists saying how ridiculous Buddhism or Sikhism or Hinduism or whatever is. Why is that?
To clarify, this is TOTALLY not a "stop picking on the Christians" thread. D: I just noticed a pattern.
 

Madhuri

RF Goddess
Staff member
Premium Member
As a Hindu, I've noticed as well. It's usually, God doesn't exist because Christianity is wrong for this and that reason. So annoying!
But I think it's because most atheists you are talking to come from a Christian background or culture and are most familiar with it and also because it is the dominant world religion.
 

Snailcall

New Member
Yes, the Christian background of many Western societies would have to play a part in this. I kind of wish they would broaden their horizons and include other religions, though. It would certainly make debate much more interesting! :p
 

T-Dawg

Self-appointed Lunatic
I focus on Christians because they're more of an immediate threat. Hindus, Muslims, Buddhists, Pagans, New Agers, etc don't have strong political power in the United States (where I live), but Christians do, and are often very aggressive in trying to make America into a theocracy.

(That, and most non-Christian theists I've seen are much more intellectually stable than Christians, probably because Christians can reinforce each other's faith by sheer groupthink and other religions simply don't have the numbers to act similarly.)
 

darkendless

Guardian of Asgaard
I can understand the reasoning for not believing in any sort of deity. However, it seems to me that most of the time atheists focus only on how wrong Christianity is, forgoing other religions. It isn't often that you see atheists saying how ridiculous Buddhism or Sikhism or Hinduism or whatever is. Why is that?
To clarify, this is TOTALLY not a "stop picking on the Christians" thread. D: I just noticed a pattern.

To be blunt, because Christianity is a soft target that constantly sticks its neck into areas which it is neither welcome nor certified to comment on.

A lot of members here are from western countries and as a result Christianity is the major religion. It is usually also the religion that features prominently in every aspect of life from politics to primary education (at least in Australia its the case).

Therefore I feel it is natural for members to use experience based on religions they are most familiar with.

To be honest, is there a more prolific religion in the western world than christianity?
 

Snailcall

New Member
I hear tell that there are a lot of asians out there, so maybe the numbers for Buddhism will rise in the next few decades. Watch out! ;D
Edit: Actually, I looked it up and the numbers for Islam are pretty high, but still not passing Christianity. 2.1 billion compared to 1.5 billion, approximately.
 

darkendless

Guardian of Asgaard
I hear tell that there are a lot of asians out there, so maybe the numbers for Buddhism will rise in the next few decades. Watch out! ;D
Edit: Actually, I looked it up and the numbers for Islam are pretty high, but still not passing Christianity. 2.1 billion compared to 1.5 billion, approximately.

Consider the distribution of these major religions worldwide though and then the locations of most of the members on this forum. Typically there are a lot of westerners here and a lot of christians in the countries we live in.
 

MissAlice

Well-Known Member
I could be wrong but it may be because many atheists come from Christian backgrounds so they know what they're picking at. Not a lot of people know enough about Islam or paganism. Paganism isn't near as widespread as the 3 major religions. In some Islamic societies it is illegal to openly leave Islam much less say anything negative about it. I'm not so sure about Judaism.....I don't hear much about it except of course "zionism"...

So I'm just assuming, it could be most atheists are speaking out in countries where they're safe to have freedom of speech. I don't think it means that atheists see Christianity anymore of a threat than other religions, it's just that it's a background most of us come from. If it makes you feel any better I try remaining respectful up to a certain point. I can only take so much until a Christian says blasphemous things against gays, atheists and minorities. I live in a country where Christianity is still very much dominant and there are still many Christians who have just as extreme views as people who believe in Islam. I don't mind Christianity or any religion until they start talking about dominating or some of the stuff I mentioned above. And yes I have many friends who are Christian who do not act in such manners. :yes:
 

Penumbra

Veteran Member
Premium Member
I can understand the reasoning for not believing in any sort of deity. However, it seems to me that most of the time atheists focus only on how wrong Christianity is, forgoing other religions. It isn't often that you see atheists saying how ridiculous Buddhism or Sikhism or Hinduism or whatever is. Why is that?
To clarify, this is TOTALLY not a "stop picking on the Christians" thread. D: I just noticed a pattern.
The pattern is valid, and I think as others mentioned, the reason is that a lot of atheists come from a Christian background, or at least from a place where Christianity is the most common religion. They're arguing from a western philosophy background, mainly.

Personally, I debate Christians from time to time, but Abrahamic religions interest me very little, and I spend my more interesting debates with Dharmic concepts, or concepts that are fairly universal to religion.
 

linwood

Well-Known Member
I can understand the reasoning for not believing in any sort of deity. However, it seems to me that most of the time atheists focus only on how wrong Christianity is, forgoing other religions. It isn't often that you see atheists saying how ridiculous Buddhism or Sikhism or Hinduism or whatever is. Why is that?
To clarify, this is TOTALLY not a "stop picking on the Christians" thread. D: I just noticed a pattern.

I think it`s probably because you and the atheists in question live in a heavily Christianized culture.
It`s the largest religious influence where you are so it is the religion that affects the atheists in your culture the most.

Why ***** about Hinduism when you don`t have to deal with it?

I don`t think I`ve ever had a Muslim knock on my door handing out Islamic Chick Tracts.
Never had a Sikh scream at me in the mall that I was going to burn in hell.
No Wiccans on the corner down the street carrying signs stating the world is about to end.
No Pagan neighbors threatening to indoctrinate my children when I`m not home.
No Buddhists sneaking abstinence only education into my county school system.

Yep, it`s Christianity that bears the brunt of my ire and rightfully so.
 
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The Sum of Awe

Brought to you by the moment that spacetime began.
I focus a lot on other religions too, though I focus mainly on Christianity because it is the largest religion in the modern world, thus equating to be more dangerous.
 

David M

Well-Known Member
I could be wrong but it may be because many atheists come from Christian backgrounds so they know what they're picking at.

It would be more accurate to say that most atheists who post on english language forums tend to come from the US or Western Europe which means that their society has been heavily influenced by Christianity over history even if it now pretty secular and that other religions have not been a significant factor in the last century so not much is known about them unless people start to do some specific research.

In the US and Europe at the moment Christianity is still the dominant religion among theists and tends to be the religion most often encountered when it comes to issues at odds with secularism.
 

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
I hear tell that there are a lot of asians out there, so maybe the numbers for Buddhism will rise in the next few decades. Watch out! ;D
Edit: Actually, I looked it up and the numbers for Islam are pretty high, but still not passing Christianity. 2.1 billion compared to 1.5 billion, approximately.

It's usually the abrahamic religions that are aggressive, thirst for power and seek to impose themselves upon people. Whenever peoples equality, rights or freedom happen to be threatened, is almost always christian or muslim fundamentalists that are the culprits.
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
I can understand the reasoning for not believing in any sort of deity. However, it seems to me that most of the time atheists focus only on how wrong Christianity is, forgoing other religions. It isn't often that you see atheists saying how ridiculous Buddhism or Sikhism or Hinduism or whatever is. Why is that?
To clarify, this is TOTALLY not a "stop picking on the Christians" thread. D: I just noticed a pattern.

Christianity (and Islam) are the faiths that usually bother to tell us how we are just NOT RIGHT, you know. We are only defending ourselves. :)
 

Ceul

New Member
As someone who's had an atheist background, I'd say that most atheists speak out against Christianity for a few reasons.

For starters, as a Roman Catholic, I felt incredibly alienated and repressed as an individual. Constantly had I, personally, been shot down for answers to questions, been humiliated in front of a class by a Catholic Teacher, and been told that I'm hellbound hundreds, if not thousands, of times. This notably created distaste for, specifically, the Roman Catholic Denomination of Christianity and after this, when I went to Jewish Orthodoxy (at a mother's prompting -- I being quite young at this time) I commonly spoke against Christianity even then.

But as time goes on, and when I geared towards a more atheistic view, I spoke out about Christianity mostly out of a... well, a small fear in the political and educational scene. Many schools were pushing for teaching creationism, teaching of Christian values and demonizing all else in the process. At the same time, there were many (and still are) fundamentalist right wingers who wanted to enact Christian laws into secular law. (Meaning, I'd be forced to follow them). Some of the proposed laws were ludicrous to me, so I started to formulate arguments against them and began to learn Christianity in more depth (as, in arguing with any strict-adherents of the faith, I would need to know the faith).

Even later on, I learned about Evangelists, Jehova's Witnesses and even random Christians at public schools I went to, who would all try to convert me to their faith. Often times I had to, perhaps not too kindly, tell them to back off. Naturally, all of these experiences created a particular dislike towards Christianity (mostly, the faith and the extremists of the scene) as I hadn't met any Jews or even Muslims who had a chance of enacting similar change. In fact, I met a few Christians who explicitly said they want America to be a Theocracy, and that they would happily kill all the heathens and "sinners."

So in short, it mostly has to do with past experiences, or the power of the Christian religion in the world at this time, or the evangelists who like to throw things at people, or a combination thereof (or even other reasons). This is based on my personal experiences, and I still often speak out against Christianity in terms of media and politics because in being a Satanist, Christians demonize the faith and use whatever they can to make it seem horrific (There are plenty who don't, and I respect them for that), and there are many Christians who push for Gay Marriage to never be legal (or believe that if made legal, Churches would be forced to conduct them -- they wouldn't, it'd be optional for churches) which directly affects me, and many Christians pushed for the DADT ruling to stay in the military (Which, I intend to be a part of in the near future, so such a rule would have basically meant that I couldn't have a significant other for the four years I intend to serve in the USAF).

That's primarily why. I also wouldn't like Islamic extremism, or Judaic extremism. Pagans, even Wiccans, tend to be a lot more liberal and tend to be a lot more diverse in belief to the point where, even if they lobbied in the political realm, odds of it bringing harm to other minorities is relatively low and there isn't a huge following for those faiths, unlike with Christianity.

Now, this is just me. I don't claim to represent all atheists, or all Satanists, and I don't claim to be representing anyone outside of myself (for, that is all I have the authority to represent).

On a side note: I try to study and understand the Christian faith, before saying anything about it. I know many denominations believe differently, which means I just need to keep up to date as much as possible, and I do respect many, many Christians, Jews and Muslims I have met and have, personally, found them to be great individuals. So when I say something against the "faith" I don't mean to hold it personally against individuals, same when I refer to fundamentalists and extremists. When referring to the preaching, I dislike the act of preaching, not necessarily the person. (Many a time has what I said offended individuals for some reason, so this is my attempt to avoid it if my post above came off confrontational in any way -- I tried to keep it as neutral as I could, to answer the question and to also throw out the notion that "all atheists hate Christians" or the more common "all Satanists hate Christians" that crops up in discussion a lot.)
 

Caladan

Agnostic Pantheist
I can understand the reasoning for not believing in any sort of deity. However, it seems to me that most of the time atheists focus only on how wrong Christianity is, forgoing other religions. It isn't often that you see atheists saying how ridiculous Buddhism or Sikhism or Hinduism or whatever is. Why is that?
To clarify, this is TOTALLY not a "stop picking on the Christians" thread. D: I just noticed a pattern.
All atheists here, in general are from America. so there is your answer. they deal with Christianity. anyhow, criticism is very constructive. how else would you forge a Christianity.
 

jarofthoughts

Empirical Curmudgeon
The cultural background certainly plays a major part in this.

But in my book all religions fall short on exactly the same premise:
They have no empirical, scientific or objective evidence for their central claim.

So you see, on that alone, every religion is automatically refuted. ;)
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
I can understand the reasoning for not believing in any sort of deity. However, it seems to me that most of the time atheists focus only on how wrong Christianity is, forgoing other religions. It isn't often that you see atheists saying how ridiculous Buddhism or Sikhism or Hinduism or whatever is. Why is that?
To clarify, this is TOTALLY not a "stop picking on the Christians" thread. D: I just noticed a pattern.
A few possible reasons come to mind:

- Atheists in Christian-dominated cultures aren't confronted - explicitly or implicitly - with the question "why aren't you a Buddhist/Sikh/Hindu/etc.?" on a regular basis like many of us are with Christianity. In just about every Western culture, it's quite socially acceptable not to be Buddhist, Sikh or Hindu. It's not always socially acceptable not to be Christian.

- I hope people don't take offense to this, but... I can't fathom how I could reasonably accept any religion. I have real difficulty taking religious claims seriously. I think that in general, it would be very workable to just ignore the whole question of religion altogether if it weren't for the fact that many people around me - for reasons that escape me - do take religion seriously. But these people, at least in my environment, tend to be predominantly Christian and to a lesser extent Muslim. It's only really on Christianity that I'm forced to take a different approach from simply rejecting all religious claims as unfounded and mostly rather silly.

- Christianity's an exclusionary religion: its message isn't only that Christianity is right, but that all other religions are wrong (or, if you prefer, wrong to varying degrees depending how much they differ from the "right" form of Christianity). When an atheist is immersed in this environment, even if he or she rejects Christianity's positive claims in favour of itself, the negative message against other religions may sometimes still seep through.

On the whole, though, I think this trend just points to the fact that atheism is a response to other belief systems, not a belief system in and of itself. If an atheist is never confronted with a particular belief system, then he or she is never going to respond to it.

Edit: but I think it's worth pointing out that this isn't exclusively an atheist thing. I doubt you'll find many Christians who really explored Buddhism, Sikhism, Hinduism, Paganism, etc. before settling on Christianity. The same probably holds true for members of the majority religion anywhere.
 

Raskolnikov

New Member
I can understand the reasoning for not believing in any sort of deity. However, it seems to me that most of the time atheists focus only on how wrong Christianity is, forgoing other religions. It isn't often that you see atheists saying how ridiculous Buddhism or Sikhism or Hinduism or whatever is. Why is that?
To clarify, this is TOTALLY not a "stop picking on the Christians" thread. D: I just noticed a pattern.

I assume you're seeing this from a Western perspective. In the West, Christianity dominates. It is by far the most popular religion in the U.S. and other western countries. It also teaches its followers to proselytize because it's the only true religion and Christians should attempt to convert others.

For those reasons, you're going to hear a lot more criticism of and arguments against Christianity. You'll see atheists here and in the west argue against Islam too, but not as much because it's not as popular in this area.

You generally won't hear much argument against Buddhism or Hinduism because they lack the proselytizing aspect, and so they're not as in-your-face.
 
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