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Can an Islamist party be truly Democratic

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EML said:
Thats a huge hurdle to navigate
Supposing we are talking about Sunni unity than it is not an ultimate concern, I do not believe it is possible to unite Shias without divine intervention (i.e the appearance of the 12th Imam).

If its seperate from Government and only concerns faith its not an issue
I am confused. If these practices were performed by a secular government than they are democratic, but by a religion one they are not?

All well and good,any policy regarding non Muslims would not be dealt with fairly as was the case with the last Egyptian Government.
Why would they not be dealth with fairly? And are we just restricting ourselves to Egyptian governments?

It would still be a problem for non Muslims,well it would be a problem for me if i were an Egyptian.
What are the problems?
 

England my lionheart

Rockerjahili Rebel
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Supposing we are talking about Sunni unity than it is not an ultimate concern, I do not believe it is possible to unite Shias without divine intervention (i.e the appearance of the 12th Imam).

Agree on that,i don't think theres much chance of unity

I am confused. If these practices were performed by a secular government than they are democratic, but by a religion one they are not?

Well theres the Woman thing for a start,theres also non Muslims to consider,would an Islamist Government impose jizyah (spl) on non Muslims,would they allow freedom of conscience,sexuality,religion.

Why would they not be dealth with fairly? And are we just restricting ourselves to Egyptian governments?

I mention Egypt because this is a massive opportunity for the MB and as Islamists i cannot see how its possible for them to be Democratic.
 

kai

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Everything. Like what?

I do not think you fully understand the purpose of a Caliph. Oh yes i do

So can a Muslim be a Pope?

no neither can a Protestant or a jew can a shia be a Caliph? but wait ! what has that to do with a women or a Copt or a Bahia'i being president of Egypt? why are you keeping on about a Caliph ?
 

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EML said:
Agree on that,i don't think theres much chance of unity
Unless of course they agree on an Ayatollah as a leader. But there are recent movements to try and incorporate the Jafari school of thought among the four other great maddhabs.

Well theres the Woman thing for a start,theres also non Muslims to consider,would an Islamist Government impose jizyah (spl) on non Muslims,would they allow freedom of conscience,sexuality,religion.
But specifically the process I listed is democratic no? In regards to women, there are branches and scholars who don't see gender as a barrier to become a Caliph.

In regards to non-Muslims, why would they even desire to become a Caliph?

I mention Egypt because this is a massive opportunity for the MB and as Islamists i cannot see how its possible for them to be Democratic.
Well let's discuss whether democracy is possible within an Islamist mindset my friend.
 

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kai said:
Like what?
"The Caliph is the spiritual leader of Islam. His whole existence and purpose is entertained with the religion."

no neither can a Protestant
Of course not.

or a jew[/quote] Of course not.

can a shia be a Caliph?
Interesting enough a Sunni would say yes, a Shia would say only a specific individual.

but wait ! what has that to do with a women or a Copt or a Bahia'i being president of Egypt? why are you keeping on about a Caliph ?
Because the title is "Can an Islamist party be truly Democratic " Is it not? We are not talking about a specific case primarily, but of an Islamist party. If we are to do this we must deal in the ideals of such a party, primary the establishment of a Caliphate. So we talk about the Caliph do we not?
 

kai

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Because the title is "Can an Islamist party be truly Democratic " Is it not? We are not talking about a specific case primarily, but of an Islamist party. If we are to do this we must deal in the ideals of such a party, primary the establishment of a Caliphate. So we talk about the Caliph do we not?

If we are not talking about a specific case then its a waste of time talking isnt it ?theres too many variables.

Can an Islamist party be truly democratic? yes if theres no discrimination regards political office.The Caliphate would come later , much much later.
 

England my lionheart

Rockerjahili Rebel
Premium Member
I am being specific,i should have put Egypt in the title,the MB are saying a Woman cannot be President,the reason was given that a Woman cannot lead the prayer.
 
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