Christianity?

[openyourmind]

For those that accept Christianity as their religion, I have to ask. How do you accept a religon that, through it's own records of it's history and it's current practice, continues to preach of right and constantly goes left. I was born in a house of split religon and it goes back generations. Christianity's constant damnation of the sinful directly conflicts with the words of thier "Savior" and does so with out any proof of command from thier father "God". Now I'm not saying all Christians are sinners and going to hell, but would merely like to know how a Christian views these acts?

 

[angellous_evangellous]

Lots of conversations with Jack.

Long conversations.

 

[wordmagnifiedabovenames]

For those that accept Christianity as their religion, I have to ask. How do you accept a religon that, through it's own records of it's history and it's current practice, continues to preach of right and constantly goes left.

By knowing that no church is perfect, because the church has got people in it, and no person is perfect. That's why I try to put God above the church.

 

[Lindsey-Loo]

For those that accept Christianity as their religion, I have to ask. How do you accept a religon that, through it's own records of it's history and it's current practice, continues to preach of right and constantly goes left. I was born in a house of split religon and it goes back generations. Christianity's constant damnation of the sinful directly conflicts with the words of thier "Savior" and does so with out any proof of command from thier father "God". Now I'm not saying all Christians are sinners and going to hell, but would merely like to know how a Christian views these acts?

The way I view it, none of us humans deserve saving at all. We constantly fail God, yet he offers redemption to anyone who wants it. I wouldn't say Christianity damns the sinful; we're all sinners. However, it does damn the blatantly unrepentant, the ones who have received the opportunity to wash away their sins, but have refused it. God offers salvation, but he's not going to make anyone accept it.

Some self-named "Christians" are a little psycho. You know the ones I'm talking about, the God-Hates-**** "Christians". I've always been taught to love the sinner and hate the sin. All these people who go around "damning" others seem to me, to be in just as much danger of eternal suffer as the "sinners" they condemn. They fail to see that we're all sinners, and only saved by accepting God's gift of grace.

 

[smokydot]

The way I view it, none of us humans deserve saving at all. We constantly fail God, yet he offers redemption to anyone who wants it. I wouldn't say Christianity damns the sinful; we're all sinners. However, it does damn the blatantly unrepentant, the ones who have received the opportunity to wash away their sins, but have refused it. God offers salvation, but he's not going to make anyone accept it.
Some self-named "Christians" are a little psycho. You know the ones I'm talking about, the God-Hates-**** "Christians". I've always been taught to love the sinner and hate the sin. All these people who go around "damning" others seem to me, to be in just as much danger of eternal suffer as the "sinners" they condemn. They fail to see that we're all sinners, and only saved by accepting God's gift of grace.

Christianity is not the same as those who practice it.

The doctrine itself is the Christianity. . .not how people practice it.

 

[ninerbuff]

For those that accept Christianity as their religion, I have to ask. How do you accept a religon that, through it's own records of it's history and it's current practice, continues to preach of right and constantly goes left. I was born in a house of split religon and it goes back generations. Christianity's constant damnation of the sinful directly conflicts with the words of thier "Savior" and does so with out any proof of command from thier father "God". Now I'm not saying all Christians are sinners and going to hell, but would merely like to know how a Christian views these acts?

Because if christianity doesn't adapt to the mainstream, it too can slowly die out like many religions of the past. That's why so many denominations.

 

[smokydot]

Because if christianity doesn't adapt to the mainstream, it too can slowly die out like many religions of the past. That's why so many denominations.

Except for that part where Jesus says his church will be here til the end of time.

 

[Duck]

Except for that part where Jesus says his church will be here til the end of time.

Wasn't Jesus also supposed to have returned in the lifetime of those who knew him (the disciples he hung out with regularly)? I dimly remember a quote being attributed to Jesus to that effect.

 

[no-body]

Except for that part where Jesus says his church will be here til the end of time.

He also says his kingdom is not of this earth. Maybe you guys better stop putting the cart before the horse and wait for the big cheese to actually come back before you proclaim anything definite.

 

[ninerbuff]

Except for that part where Jesus says his church will be here til the end of time.

Every denomination will claim that they are his church. And of course every nay sayer will say that god bestowed them the knowledge through prayer in selecting their current faith.

 

[ninerbuff]

The way I view it, none of us humans deserve saving at all. We constantly fail God, yet he offers redemption to anyone who wants it. I wouldn't say Christianity damns the sinful; we're all sinners. However, it does damn the blatantly unrepentant, the ones who have received the opportunity to wash away their sins, but have refused it. God offers salvation, but he's not going to make anyone accept it.

When I hear statements like this, it even makes me more proud to be an atheist. I do more good than most christians in my childs school and offer what I can to people in need, yet in god's eyes I'm a bad person. Of course since they brown nose god, he's gonna save them. Gotta love that logically thinking.

Some self-named "Christians" are a little psycho. You know the ones I'm talking about, the God-Hates-**** "Christians". I've always been taught to love the sinner and hate the sin. All these people who go around "damning" others seem to me, to be in just as much danger of eternal suffer as the "sinners" they condemn. They fail to see that we're all sinners, and only saved by accepting God's gift of grace.

If you saw a person having a conversation with an invisible person on a park bench, you'd think they were a little mental. What's the difference when talking to an invisible god with no proof of existence?

 

[ninerbuff]

He also says his kingdom is not of this earth. Maybe you guys better stop putting the cart before the horse and wait for the big cheese to actually come back before you proclaim anything definite.

It's gotta be on Mars then since for some reason christians keep looking to the sky.

 

[Quiddity]

You've met a Christian who hasn't sinned?

 

[waitasec]

The way I view it, none of us humans deserve saving at all. We constantly fail God, yet he offers redemption to anyone who wants it. I wouldn't say Christianity damns the sinful; we're all sinners. However, it does damn the blatantly unrepentant, the ones who have received the opportunity to wash away their sins, but have refused it. God offers salvation, but he's not going to make anyone accept it.

Some self-named "Christians" are a little psycho. You know the ones I'm talking about, the God-Hates-**** "Christians". I've always been taught to love the sinner and hate the sin. All these people who go around "damning" others seem to me, to be in just as much danger of eternal suffer as the "sinners" they condemn. They fail to see that we're all sinners, and only saved by accepting God's gift of grace.

how sad...

 

[Lindsey-Loo]

Christianity is not the same as those who practice it.

The doctrine itself is the Christianity. . .not how people practice it.

Sadly, there isn't really an agreed upon doctrine of Christianity. Almost everything is debatable and subject to people's opinions. That's why I answered out of my personal experience of its practitioners, not some umbrella doctrine that Christians can't even agree on.

When I hear statements like this, it even makes me more proud to be an atheist. I do more good than most christians in my childs school and offer what I can to people in need, yet in god's eyes I'm a bad person. Of course since they brown nose god, he's gonna save them. Gotta love that logically thinking.

Eh, there's good Christians and good atheists, and bad Christians, and bad atheists. I wouldn't say you're a bad person in God's eyes. It's of course possible to do good deeds and be a good person even without being a Christian. And all too often, people call themselves Christians, but they don't display good works. It isn't logical at all to say that just because you believe in a Christian God, He's going to save you. That's silly. Redemption is a combination of faith, good works, and grace.

If you saw a person having a conversation with an invisible person on a park bench, you'd think they were a little mental. What's the difference when talking to an invisible god with no proof of existence?

Lol. if you want to argue that a Christian who is mostly quiet and goes to church on Sunday is mental, like a "Christian" who wants to picket funerals of 9-year-old girls and thinks God hates people for being gay, that's your deal. Some just don't respect religious people as intelligent, or even sane. Not my business.

how sad...

What's sad is that you feel the need to make a pointless contribution in this thread just because you don't like my opinions in another discussion. What I've never understood about some nonreligious people is why they feel so personally insulted just because you disagree with them. If you have something of worth to say here, please, share it. Otherwise, it's nicer to keep your opinions about what's sad or not to yourself.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

What I've never understood about some nonreligious people is why they feel so personally insulted just because you disagree with them.

Do you understand why some religious people do?

 

[Lindsey-Loo]

Do you understand why some religious people do?

Absolutely. I've grown up around enough of them to understand that a bunch of fundamentalists think that by being nonreligious, you're insulting God, and thus insulting them. But I fail to see why nonreligious people would feel insulted. They're generally more open-minded.

 

[openyourmind]

The reason I ask is that as a child my mother made us go to church, first catholic then baptist. My father wanted us to find what we believe in on our own. The teachings of the church seemed smart. Once I started school and become very interested in sceince and history I knew what I was taught wasn't quite right. The contradictions of teaching and practice lead me to walk away from god altogether. If it can cause one person to walk away it can cause more. I found God and absolutetion after reading many different religous texts. But, I can not find faith in the church. It isn't my doubt in God but in man and his selfish hand. He says to surrond myself with like minded people. So where is that? If you know the words and sit through church and feel like what just happen is a sin. Why continue to go? The teachings they teach children, wt*. It is so closed minded and judgemental. The rich give to themselves and say their blessed while the poor starve to death!? A pope that thinks so highly of himself he hides in huge temples made of gold and won't let the homeless even sleep on the steps!? The Pope says he believes in God, everyone says he is the holiest one. Then why is it even he doesn't share? Doesn't he know the story of those that built meaningless temples and fell to thier dome? Jesus laid down his life for his Love of God to save everyone. The pope hides behind bullet proof glass, because they are scared he will be shot? Where is his faith of God in that? I can have a debate with each of you about the words of the bible, easily done. But, can you explain how the teachings of Jesus, the one you call your savior, have been used to raise you up to pass judgement on those with none? It really is no wonder Atheist don't believe. Even you don't agree!

 

[waitasec]

What's sad is that you feel the need to make a pointless contribution in this thread just because you don't like my opinions in another discussion. What I've never understood about some nonreligious people is why they feel so personally insulted just because you disagree with them. If you have something of worth to say here, please, share it. Otherwise, it's nicer to keep your opinions about what's sad or not to yourself.

ha ha...
you took my bait...that's all. i am not insulted. it just saddens me that someone can make such a harsh statement about their self (you ain't talking about me). where is the self respect? how can you aim for second rate...when you're top choice.
let me ask you this, do you think the girls in the middle east feel any different then what you do, if indeed you believe

none of us humans deserve saving at all

?

 

[wordmagnifiedabovenames]

It isn't my doubt in God but in man and his selfish hand.

In that case I'd suggest following God instead of following man.

The Pope says he believes in God, everyone says he is the holiest one.

Not everyone.

But, can you explain how the teachings of Jesus, the one you call your savior, have been used to raise you up to pass judgement on those with none?

People have gotten the wrong interpretation of scripture. This has led to wrong application of scripture.