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Assassination of Muslim Minds

Mr Spinkles

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.lava said:
truth is i don't discuss this stuff because we are medias-apart from each other and therefor it is useless.
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That's true, so why don't you cite sources from your media, so that I can consider the evidence. Maybe your sources of information are wrong, maybe my sources are wrong, who knows? So let's lay all the evidence on the table so at least we are both aware of the evidence.

kai didn't cite the media, he cited human rights groups which said most academics and students getting killed in Iraq were killed by Iraqis. I don't think U.S. soldiers were spray-painting threats against female students, blowing themselves up in suicide attacks, or beheading people, as described by the articles. And the killing of academics in Iraq decreased after the surge of 30,000 additional U.S. troops. These facts don't fit the picture that the U.S. was assassinating Iraqi academics.

I would like to see the evidence that the Iraqi academics listed as killed in the OP were assassinated by the U.S., and not by al-Zarqawi's cells, or Shi'a militias, or Sunni insurgents, etc.
 
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Where can we find demographics on the number of schools in Muslim-majority countries per citizen, and the same for countries that produce a lot of science for comparison?
 
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Why are we diverging from the OP. It is clear that Israel finds it acceptable to kill citizens of other countries and there is no public backlash? What would happen if an American scientist were targeted? Surely the only country to use atomic bombs and clearly one of the most hawkish is a greater danger than one which doesn't even weapons.
 
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"... The administration does not talk about them much, at least publicly, but they include old-style military containment and an operation known informally at the C.I.A. as the Braindrain Project to lure away Iran’s nuclear talent. By all accounts, Mr. Obama has ramped up a Bush-era covert program to undermine Iran’s nuclear weapons infrastructure, and he has made quiet diplomatic use of Israel’s lurking threat to take military action if diplomacy and pressure fail."

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/11/world/middleeast/11assess.html?_r=1&src=mv
 
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Meow Mix said:
Where can we find demographics on the number of schools in Muslim-majority countries per citizen, and the same for countries that produce a lot of science for comparison?
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It just happened to mention in the book I'm reading now, (The Sewing Circles of Herat) that Pakistan spends only 2 % of its budget on education, one of the lowest in the world.
 
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This is a great site as far as I can tell advocating for Muslims to get together and increase their scientific education and publication output: Muslim-Science.Com — Home of The Muslim Scientists, Technologists, Innovators, and Entrepreneurs Network

The site claims (though I don't see a reference) that Muslims contribute a paltry 1.5% of published scientific material. If true, that's truly abysmal and I hope this organization accomplishes its job of rallying Muslims to solve the issue. The world can always use more scientists, and hopefully it will have the added benefit of increasing the general level of education in poorer areas that normally don't get a lot of access to it.

One of the site's ambitious goals is to increase awareness and acceptance of scientific methodology amongst Muslim-majority countries; that couldn't hurt either.
 
kai

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Abibi said:
Why are we diverging from the OP. It is clear that Israel finds it acceptable to kill citizens of other countries and there is no public backlash? What would happen if an American scientist were targeted? Surely the only country to use atomic bombs and clearly one of the most hawkish is a greater danger than one which doesn't even weapons.
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Abibi



what are your comments of the UN report that Iraqi academics are being killed by other Iraqis?






UNHCR | Refworld | Education under Attack 2010 - Iraq
 
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kai: Both tragic yet unrelated to the thread. It isn't surprising that terror elements target the academic foundations of society.
 
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Aside from the most recent of its victims in Iran there are the scientists Sajdah mentioned in the beginning of the OP.
 
Mr Spinkles

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Abibi said:
Aside from the most recent of its victims in Iran there are the scientists Sajdah mentioned in the beginning of the OP.
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So far, this brings us to a grand total of 6 scientists from the Muslim world who were assassinated over the last century. And it seems they were all nuclear scientists.
 
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I provided a link to a NY Times article that says American/Israeli gov't are allegedly deliberately attempting to lure Iran scientists to defect (supposedly called Project Braindrain).

If true, that's at least evidence that certain scientists are indeed under the spotlight of foreign powers.

It's already true that Iran suffers from massive natural braindrain. Wikipedia said as many as ~150,000 Iranians leave every year, ~25% with post-secondary educations. The reasons given are because of the "tight job market" and "strict social codes imposed by the Islamic government."

There is undeniably a correlation between more education and less religiosity worldwide, so the extreme social conservatism of Islamic countries may contribute to a lot of their own brain drain.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran's_brain_drain
 
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So far, this brings us to a grand total of 6 scientists from the Muslim world who were assassinated over the last century. And it seems they were all nuclear scientists.
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Not at all only those mentioned in the OP. Iran's scientists have been killed periodically to limit its nuclear research progression by Mossad. You find this ok? Its ok that they only kill six but if they kill twenty they are wrong? The act initself is a casus belli for war.
 
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