Zhakir
Peace&Tolerance
Peace be unto all.
In the past when i was a Sunni Muslim, i questioned the concept of intercession and i believed that it is ultimately harmful to a society to believe that people can do whatever bad thing/sin/crime they like, Sunni Muslims around me had similar beliefe -derived from many hadith books- diferring from one to another,and many times totally contradicting each other, it's called " Muhammad's intercession" or prayers to God to let Muslims out of Hell fire, and get them to the Garden.I chose to believe in the weakest form of intercession where it's claimed that Allah will cause Muhammad to pray to him to get those -whom Allah wants to save- out of hell.
At that time i was debateing Christians who belived in salvation on exactly the same grounds i would debate a Sunni Muslim, in fact the same word "Shafa'a" used in hadith for the prophet Muhammad is used for prophet Jesus in the Arabic Bible , Referring to the claimed role of these two prophet in saving sinners who committed evil in this life. One of my debate are saved here in RF.
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/general-religious-debates/83636-died-our-sins.html
From my Quran-based beliefs now i reject the whole concept of intercession and its hadith, and find no diffrence between the two teams.
After my conversion i discovered that many churchs -which agree with Quran on rejecting trinity- also reject salvation and intercession, Closer to the Quran and Submission to God (Islam) more than the majority of the Muslim, And i started to learn about this religion and i'm very intrested in comminicating with its the followers.
My first question
How do you consider Biblical statements that contradict your belifes ?
As for me my beliefs don't contradict the Quran, not a single verse of it, but contrict many hadith that are not authentic any way, i rejected them, and converted to Quranic Islam, or better say Islam (submission).
Intercession Is A Way To Salvation?
Quran 2:254 and other 150 verses reject the concept.
O ye who believe! spend of that wherewith We have provided you ere a day come when there will be no trafficking, nor friendship, nor intercession. The disbelievers, they are the wrong-doers
Trinity? Son Of God?
Quran 5:37
They surely disbelieve who say: Lo! Allah is the third of three; when there is no Allah save the One Allah. If they desist not from sosaying a painful doom will fall on those of them who disbelieve
Quran 4:171
O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: Nor say of Allah aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no morethan) a messenger of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and aspirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His messengers. Say not"Trinity" : desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is one Allah: Glory beto Him: (far exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things inthe heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs
Regards.
In the past when i was a Sunni Muslim, i questioned the concept of intercession and i believed that it is ultimately harmful to a society to believe that people can do whatever bad thing/sin/crime they like, Sunni Muslims around me had similar beliefe -derived from many hadith books- diferring from one to another,and many times totally contradicting each other, it's called " Muhammad's intercession" or prayers to God to let Muslims out of Hell fire, and get them to the Garden.I chose to believe in the weakest form of intercession where it's claimed that Allah will cause Muhammad to pray to him to get those -whom Allah wants to save- out of hell.
At that time i was debateing Christians who belived in salvation on exactly the same grounds i would debate a Sunni Muslim, in fact the same word "Shafa'a" used in hadith for the prophet Muhammad is used for prophet Jesus in the Arabic Bible , Referring to the claimed role of these two prophet in saving sinners who committed evil in this life. One of my debate are saved here in RF.
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/general-religious-debates/83636-died-our-sins.html
From my Quran-based beliefs now i reject the whole concept of intercession and its hadith, and find no diffrence between the two teams.
After my conversion i discovered that many churchs -which agree with Quran on rejecting trinity- also reject salvation and intercession, Closer to the Quran and Submission to God (Islam) more than the majority of the Muslim, And i started to learn about this religion and i'm very intrested in comminicating with its the followers.
My first question
How do you consider Biblical statements that contradict your belifes ?
As for me my beliefs don't contradict the Quran, not a single verse of it, but contrict many hadith that are not authentic any way, i rejected them, and converted to Quranic Islam, or better say Islam (submission).
Intercession Is A Way To Salvation?
Quran 2:254 and other 150 verses reject the concept.
O ye who believe! spend of that wherewith We have provided you ere a day come when there will be no trafficking, nor friendship, nor intercession. The disbelievers, they are the wrong-doers
Trinity? Son Of God?
Quran 5:37
They surely disbelieve who say: Lo! Allah is the third of three; when there is no Allah save the One Allah. If they desist not from sosaying a painful doom will fall on those of them who disbelieve
Quran 4:171
O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: Nor say of Allah aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no morethan) a messenger of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and aspirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His messengers. Say not"Trinity" : desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is one Allah: Glory beto Him: (far exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things inthe heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs
Regards.
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