Do you really believe that Jesus died for our sins?

[Bennettresearch]

Nope, Jesus was a human being just as you and I, he was born of human parents who are recorded in scripture and they are Mary the daugther of Heli from ther tribe of Levi, and Joseph the Levite who was also sired by Heli, but of another mother than Joseph the Levite, who should not be confused with Joseph the son of Jacob, from the tribe of Judah who had no sex with Mary until she had given birth to the first of her three biological sons, only then did Joseph the son of Jacob from the tribe of Judah, consummate his union with Mary.

Isaac is a prototype of Jesus and like Jesus was born of Gods promise according to the workings of the Holy Spirit. Both Isaac and Jesus were the sons of parents who were both sired by the one Father. ‘Terah,’ is the father to both Abraham and Sarah, while ‘Heli,’ is the father of both Joseph and Mary. Both Mary and Sarah were informed by an angel that they would become Pregnant and bear the son of Gods promise. Isaac was offered up as a sacrifice by his physical father, Jesus was offered up by his spiritual father, and Isaac was offered up on the very spot where Jesus was crucified.

So you're really into the human sacrifice thing then.

 

[S-word]

So you're really into the human sacrifice thing then.

Nope! It wern't a human being who died for the sins of the body of mankind, it was the new species that comes from mankind, "The Son of Man," who now, is the spirit that is developing within the body of mankind, who will be born into the invisible 4th dimensional world that co-exists within this visible three dimensional world. Psalms 51: 5; Behold, i was shapen in iniquity and in sin did my mother (The body of Mankind) conceive me

It is He who is born with the death of the body of mankind, who is the one and the only one, who can descend into his dead past and pay the penalty for the sins of the physical body in which he developed. And He is our God and our saviour, who chose the man Jesus as the first of many brothers to inherit a portion of his immortal body that can never die. The man Jesus appeared to Saul on the road to Damascus in his new body of brilliant and blinding light and identified himself as Jesus of Nazareth.

Paul/Saul says that if there is a physical body there must be a spiritual body also, but it is the physical body that comes first, for I tell you a sacred secret said Paul, we shall not all fall asleep in death, but we shall be changed in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, from bodies of corruptible matter, into glorious incorruptible bodies of brilliant and blinding light, and as we have born the image of the first Adam, so shall we bear the image of the first of mankind to have inherited his share of the hidden manner, which is the immortal body of the "Son of Man" which was torn asunder and poured out as fire on all those who believed his words as spoken through his obedient servant, Jesus of Nazareth.

 

[Bennettresearch]

Nope! It wern't a human being who died for the sins of the body of mankind, it was the new species that comes from mankind, "The Son of Man," who now, is the spirit that is developing within the body of mankind, who will be born into the invisible 4th dimensional world that co-exists within this visible three dimensional world. Psalms 51: 5; Behold, i was shapen in iniquity and in sin the my mother (The body of Mankind) conceive me

It is He who is born with the death of the body of mankind, who is the one and the only one, who can descend into his dead past and pay the penalty for the sins of the physical body in which he developed. And He is our God and our saviour, who chose the man Jesus as the first of many brothers to inherit a portion of his immortal body that can never die. The man Jesus appeared to Saul on the road to Damascus in his new body of brilliant and blinding light and identified himself as Jesus of Nazareth.

Paul/Saul says that if there is a physical body there must be a spiritual body also, but it is the physical body that comes first, for I tell you a sacred secret said Paul, we shall not all fall asleep in death, but we shall be changed in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, from bodies of corruptible matter, into glorious incorruptible bodies of brilliant and blinding light, and as we have born the image of the first Adam, so shall we bear the image of the first of mankind to have inherited his share of the hidden manner, which is the immortal body of the "Son of Man" which was torn asunder and poured out as fire on all those who believed his words as spoken through his obedient servant, Jesus of Nazareth.

Son of man means prophet. That is how it is used in the OT. Jesus was a prophet and that is all that it means.
You need to quit soapboxing.

 

[S-word]

Son of man means prophet. That is how it is used in the OT. Jesus was a prophet and that is all that it means.
You need to quit soapboxing.

John 3: 13; For no man has ascended to heaven except, and that one exception was the "Son of Man" who came down, even the Son of Man who is in heaven.

 

[S-word]

John 3: 13; For no man has ascended to heaven except, and that one exception was the "Son of Man" who came down, even the Son of Man who is in heaven.

This is my belief.

The sacrificial lamb of God, “The Pascal Lamb” was to be a one year old, or 365 day old lamb, and the Lamb of God is Christ, and the word “Christ,” means “Anointed”.

The only exception of all mankind to have ascended to the ends of time and to have witnessed the heavens roll up as a scroll, wherein the universal elements became so excited they burnt up and fell as massive columns of fire beyond all measure in height and depth into the Great Abyss, or Black hole, where all that is, disappeared, was Enoch, who, at the age of 365 was carried to heaven, where, as it is written, he was stripped of his mortal garments and anointed with the sweet smelling ointment of God, which shone with the brilliance of the sun, and behold, he was as one of the glorious ones, where, clothed and girded in fire, he was chosen to serve God before the body of Adam (Mankind) into all eternity. The anoited one, the Christ.

Genesis 5: 24; and Hebrew 11: 5, reveal that Enoch had never experienced death. When the old indwelling ancestral spirit of Adam was rejected and his pre-flood body (Of Mankind) was submerged in the baptismal waters of the world, the new post-flood body of Noah, his wife, their three sons and their wives, in who, was the new indwelling ancestral Father spirit of Enoch, as all 8 souls were descendant of Enoch’s six sons, Methusulah, Rigam, Riman, Urchan, Cherminion and Giadad.

Enoch the indwelling spirit in the post-flood body of mankind cannot die, as he himself reveals in the Book of Enoch the Prophet 37: 4; “Til the present day such wisdom has never been given by the Lord of Spirits as I have received according to my insight, according to the good pleasure of the Lord of Spirits by whom the lot of eternal life has been given to me,” which is verified in Genesis 5: 24; and Hebrew 11:5.

It is He, to whom all the information and experiences taken in through his human body of mankind, is gathered as he evolves in his ascent to the ends of this cycle of universal activity, and it he, “The anointed one,” “The Christ,” The spiritual compilation of the all the cells within the body of post-flood mankind, to whom all the sins committed by the body in which he develops, are ascribed.

Hebrew 10: 5; And it was He, the only exception of all mankind to have ascended to the ends of the heavens, "The Son of Man," who, when he was about to come into the world, said to God; “You do not want sacrifices and offerings but a body you have prepared for me.” And that body was the man Jesus, who, as he rose from the baptismal waters, was filled with the spirit of our Lord and saviour, who descended upon him in the form of a dove.

You may have evolved from some organic molecule which once floated around in the primeval soup, but you are not that organic molecule, and although the Son of Man evolved from Enoch, He and Enoch, can be likened to you and the organic molecule from which you evolved. It is He, the glorious simulacrum who dwells in the eternal eighth heaven of unapproachable light, who dies in the process of involution in order to be the saviour of we in the process of evolution, by releasing, from the least to the greatest, the spirits of which he is their compilation, he will diminish into nothingness.

Enoch the cornerstone in the formation of "The Son of Man," was the least in the body of the great simulacrum and was the first to be reborn on earth in his chosen host body, the man Jesus, who was obedient to his indwelling father ancestral spirit. From the Book of Enoch the prophet 108: 11-13; “And now I will summons the spirits of the good who belong to the generation of light, and I will transform those who were born in darkness, who, in the flesh were not recompensed with such honour as their faithfulness deserved. And I will bring forth in shining light those who have loved My holy name (Who I Am,) and I will seat each one on the throne of his honour. And they shall be resplendent for times without number.”

Acts 17: 31; For He (The Lord God) has fixed a day in which he will judge the whole world with justice by means of a man he has chosen. He has given proof of this to every one by raising that man from death.

The day that the Lord God has fixed, is the seventh period of one thousand years from the first day in which Adam ate of the forbidden tree and died in that day at the age of 930.

The seventh day is the Day of the Lord, the Sabbath day, in which all those who received their share of the immortal body of the Son of Man, who came down through time to take upon himself the sins of the body of mankind in which body, He, The Son of Man, develops. The "Son of man" whose immortal body was torn asunder and poured out as fire on all those who believed.

All those who believed his words as spoken through his obedient servant Jesus, upon who his spirit descended in the form of a dove, which believers, had received their share of the hidden Manna, the immortal body of our Lord and saviour, and who were judged in the flesh as all are Judged, but who, in their spiritual existence have been living as God lives, gathering to themselves all the spirits of their good descendants who fall asleep in righteousness, are soon to be reborn on earth in their chosen host bodies which earthly host bodies are true to their indwelling spirit, and they who are one with their chosen earthly host bodies, shall take the thrones that have been prepared for them and rule with Christ for a thousand years.

From the Book of Jubilees 4: 30; And He (Adam) lacked seventy years of one thousand years; for one thousand years are as one day in the Testimony of the heavens and therefore was it written concerning the tree of knowledge; “On the day ye eat thereof ye shall die.” For this reason he did not complete the years of this day; for he died during it.

We are now at the close of the sixth day, and are soon to enter into the Day of The Lord, are you prepared, for it is only those who are obedient to “Who They Are,” who will be chosen. For the work that must be done is a dirty job, and those who are not obedient to their indwelling spirit, and would judge his commands as evil, cannot be used. Know yourself, and you will be known.

 

[footprints]

Jesus was a human being, born of human parents, and whether or not he sinned in his life on earth, his righteous blood could but pay the price for the sin of Adam that he inherited as all humans must do. (All mankind must die once, then go off into judgment.) But at best, even if he were not under the penalty incurred by Adam in who all have sinned, his righteous blood could pay the ransom for only one man. A human life for a human life.

I am inclined to believe that if Jesus existed, Jesus was a man. The bible documents sins of Jesus, so to imply that Jesus didn't sin, is a simple fallacy. The sins though, also acknowledged the point he was human, with human tendencies and a human nature which he needed to overcome, enter the path of enlightenment.

If Jesus existed, Jesus didn't die for us, Jesus died because of us. The death of Jesus isn't what is going to save us, the teachings Jesus left are the saving graces, it is up to us, to do the rest for ourselves. As Jesus said, "Unless you change and become like this child, you will never enter into the kingdom of heaven," irrespective of how many times Jesus was crucified.

 

[S-word]

I am inclined to believe that if Jesus existed, Jesus was a man. The bible documents sins of Jesus, so to imply that Jesus didn't sin, is a simple fallacy. The sins though, also acknowledged the point he was human, with human tendencies and a human nature which he needed to overcome, enter the path of enlightenment.

If Jesus existed, Jesus didn't die for us, Jesus died because of us. The death of Jesus isn't what is going to save us, the teachings Jesus left are the saving graces, it is up to us, to do the rest for ourselves. As Jesus said, "Unless you change and become like this child, you will never enter into the kingdom of heaven," irrespective of how many times Jesus was crucified.

My dear friend you do not understand what sin is do you? Sin was in the world long before the Law was introduced and of the people of his day, who believed that to break one letter of the written law was to sin Jesus said, "The world is wrong about sin." I can lie to save an innocent person from the hands of those who would kill him etc, and it will be counted to me as righteousness. But, if out of fear of losing my immortal soul, I refuse to lie to save that person, that will be counted against me as sin.

For I tell you now that you can lie, there is a time to steal
There is a time to disobey, there is a time to kill,
There is a work that must be done upon the Sabbath day
No one who understands the Lord would teach another way
for the Lord God judges not on what you do
The heart and soul of man he searches through
The reason, why those deeds of men are done
This is what the Lord God judges on.......By S-word.

Sin my friend, is disobedience to your indwelling ancestral spirit, I must be true to "Who I Am." For that which was in the beginning and has evolved to become who I am, is connected to his beginning by an unbroken genetic thread of life. "Who I Am," has never died, nor can "Who I Am," ever die. And as long as I remain true to "Who I Am," and are obedient to and a servant to and an extension of "Who I Am," then I will live and continue to evolve of the spirits of my descendants who are true to their indwelling ancestral spirit. Jesus did not sin.

I am who I am, may I never pose sight
of the fact that I am, who I am day and night
I am not who I was, nor who I will be
For "Who I Am" is the name that my God gave to me.

So get behind me you charlatan priests and you shams
for I am true to My God, to MY GOD "Who I Am."

 

[S-word]

Jesus was a human being, born of human parents, and whether or not he sinned in his life on earth, his righteous blood could but pay the price for the sin of Adam that he inherited as all humans must do. (All mankind must die once, then go off into judgment.) But at best, even if was not under the penalty incurred by Adam, his righteous blood could pay the ransom for only one man. A human life for a human life.

Jesus was the human body that God had prepared through suffering to be obedient to his indwelling spirit, and when he became perfect in his obedience, the spirit of
his only begotten Son, (The Son of Man, which is the spirit that is now developing within the body of mankind and the spiritual being to who all the sins of the physical body in which he develops is ascribed) who came down through time in the form of a dove and filled the body that his God had prepared for him.

The only exception of all mankind who was carried to heaven and stripped of his mortal garments and anointed with the sweet smelling ointment of God which shone with the brilliance of the sun, who, clothed and girded with fire, was chosen to serve God before the body of Adam/mankind into all eternity, was the one who came down, even the Son of Man who is in heaven. See John 3: 13.
The word Christ means “The anointed one.”

Hebrew 10: 5; When the anointed one was about to come into the world, he said to God, “You do not want sacrifices and offerings, but you have prepared a body for me etc.” That body was the obedient Jesus, who had leant to be obedient to his indwelling spirit and to do, nor say anything on his own authority, but only that which he was commanded by the Lord who had descended upon him in the form of a dove as the voice was heard to Say, “You are My son, Today I have begotten you.” see the more ancient authorities of Luke 3: 22.

Hebrew 5: 7-10; In his life as a human being, Jesus made his prayers and request with loud cries and tears to God who was able to save him from death, Even though he was A son of God, as were all Israelites, he had to learn through suffering to be obedient. When he was made perfect and had learnt to be obedient and do and say only that which he was commanded by the Lord, who could then reveal himself to the world and the great sacrifice that he makes through his servant, who was obedient even unto his cruel death on the cross, God declared him to be high priest in the line of succession to Melchizedek.

Hebrew 5; 5; But Jesus did not take upon himself the honour of high priest, instead, after he had been brought to perfection by his obedience to his indwelling spirit, God made him high priest in the line of succession to Melchizedek, with these words, “You are my Son, today I have become your Father,” as he rose from the baptismal waters and was filled with the spirit of the Son of Man, the only begotten Son of God. See the more ancient authorities of Luke 3: 22: which states that as Jesus rose from the Baptismal waters, and was filled with the spirit of God’s only begotten Son, which descended upon him in the form of a dove, the heavenly voice said; “You are my beloved in whom I am pleased, today I have become your Father, or, today I have begotten thee. John 3: 6; “A person is born physically of human parents, but is born spiritually of the spirit.

Did the People of his day believe that Jesus was the Lord? No, for they who walked in the front of Jesus as he made his triumphant entry on the colt of a mule, cried out, “Praise to David’s son! God bless him who comes in the name of the Lord! Praise be to God.” They saw him as the fulfilment of the prophecy of the Lord in Deuteronomy 18: 18; as verified by Peter.

Jesus, who we once knew as a normal human being and who was given divine glory by the God of our ancestors, is now incontestably Divine. Many people attempt to use the words of our Lord and saviour as spoken through the mouth of his obedient servant Jesus, through whom our Lord has revealed himself to us, in their futile attempt to somehow prove that Jesus is the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, who he is not. It was “The Son of Man,” the only begotten Son of God, who, through his servant Jesus, cried out in John17: 5; “Father! Give me glory in your presence now, the same glory I had with you, before the world was made.”

In the same manner that Moses lifted up upon a stake, the image of the serpent in the desert, in order that all those who were dying because of the venom of the serpent that was coursing through their veins, only had to turn their eyes to the image of the serpent which had been lifted up to be saved.
So too, Jesus, the earthly image of the spiritual being who descended upon him in the form of a dove and led him into the wilderness where he was tempted for 40 days, had to be lifted up upon a stake, in order that all who are dying because of the venom of the Old serpent that is coursing through their veins, only have to gaze upon the perfection of his earthly image who had been lifted up, to be saved.

Acts 17: 31; For He (The Lord God) has fixed a day in which he will judge the whole world with justice by means of a man he has chosen. He has given proof of this to every one by raising that man from death.

The day that the Lord God has fixed, is the seventh period of one thousand years from the first day in which Adam ate of the forbidden tree and died in that day at the age of 930.

The seventh day is the Day of the Lord, the Sabbath day, in which all those who received their share of the immortal body of the Son of Man, who came down through time to take upon himself the sins of the body of mankind in which body, He, The Son of Man, develops.

All those who believed his words as spoken through his obedient servant Jesus, upon who his spirit descended in the form of a dove, which believers, had received their share of the hidden Manna, the immortal body of our Lord and saviour which was torn asunder and poured out as fire upon their heads, and who were judged in the flesh as all are Judged, but who, in their spiritual existence have been living as God lives, gathering to themselves all the spirits of their good descendants who fall asleep in righteousness, and they are soon to be reborn on earth in their chosen host body who is true to their indwelling ancestral Father spirit, and they who are one with their chosen earthly host body, shall take the thrones that have been prepared for them and rule with Christ for a thousand years.

From the Book of Jubilees 4: 30; And He (Adam) lacked seventy years of one thousand years; for one thousand years are as one day in the Testimony of the heavens and therefore was it written concerning the tree of knowledge; “On the day ye eat thereof ye shall die.” For this reason he did not complete the years of this day; for he died during it.

We are now at the close of the sixth day, and are soon to enter into the Day of The Lord, are you prepared, for it is only those who are obedient to “Who They Are,” who will be chosen, for the work that must be done is a dirty job, and those who are not obedient to their indwelling spirit, and would condemn his commands as evil, cannot be used. Know yourself, and you will be known.

 

[footprints]

Sin is perception based, I already knew that.

Thank you.

 

[S-word]

Sin is perception based, I already knew that.

Thank you.

There are those who may perceive that Jesus sinned, but their perception would be incorrect.

 

[footprints]

There are those who may perceive that Jesus sinned, but their perception would be incorrect.

When Jesus lost it at the temple, he clearly violated Gods will. Even Jesus knew he had done wrong. Enlightenment explains it all.

 

[S-word]

When Jesus lost it at the temple, he clearly violated Gods will. Even Jesus knew he had done wrong. Enlightenment explains it all.

Nah matey, Jesus knew that he had done the right thing and if he had to do it again he would. They were not going to turn God's Temple, which was a place of prayer, into a hide out for dishonest and theiving money changers. Enlightenment should explain that to you.

I suppose you will comdemn what the Lord is soon to do in the middle east, as being evil also.

 

[footprints]

Nah matey, Jesus knew that he had done the right thing and if he had to do it again he would. They were not going to turn God's Temple, which was a place of prayer, into a hide out for dishonest and theiving money changers. Enlightenment should explain that to you.

I suppose you will comdemn what the Lord is soon to do in the middle east, as being evil also.

LOL, enlightenment rids the mind of justification, it doesn't use it. Jesus was anything but enlightened when he lost it at the temple.

Nothing is going to happen soon, in the middle east, which had anything to do with God or Jesus.

 

[S-word]

LOL, enlightenment rids the mind of justification, it doesn't use it. Jesus was anything but enlightened when he lost it at the temple.

Nothing is going to happen soon, in the middle east, which had anything to do with God or Jesus.

quote=footprints; Jesus was anything but enlightened when he lost it at the temple.

When someone loses it, it is a spontaneous action, they see something that upsets them and they drop their bundle and react without thinking it through, this Jesus did not do.

Mark 11: 11; Jesus entered Jerusalem, went into the Temple, and looked around at everything, (He would have seen the dishonest money changers plying their trade there in the house of prayer, does he lose it? Does he drop his bundle? No) But since it was late in the day, he went back to Bethany with his twelve disciples.

Verse 15; "The next day, when they arrived in Jerusalem, Jesus went to the Temple and began to drive out all those who were buying and selling. He overturned the tables of the money changers, etc."

Jesus didn't lose it matey, he thought it through and returned to the Temple next day and did what he was commanded to do. For Jesus, the obedient servant of our Lord and saviour, did nothing, nor spoke one word on his own authority, but only that which he was commanded to do and say, by the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, who chose Jesus from among the Israelites and sent him to speak in his name.


quote=footprints; Nothing is going to happen soon, in the middle east, which had anything to do with God or Jesus


I see that you are one who disagrees with the words of the Lord God our saviour, as spoken through his obedient servant Jesus, who is our hope. But never mind, your belief can do nothing to stop the inevitable, the day to save his people is near.

Numbers 24: 17, “A king, like a bright star, will arise in that Nation. Like a comet he will come from Israel. He will strike the leaders of Moab and beat down all the people of Seth. He will conquer his enemies in Edom and make their land his property. While Israel continues victorious. The Nation of Israel will trample them down and wipe out the last survivors.” Do you not believe the word of the Lord as spoken through the prophet Balaam the son of Beor, or have you misconstrued it as most Christians have and somehow (which is beyond my ability to comprehend) believe that this prophecy was fulfilled 2000 years ago when the Lord sent, in his name “Who I Am,” the young Israelite Jesus, to do and say only that which he was commanded.

Isaiah 63: 1-6, “Who is this coming from the city of Bozrah in Edom? Who is this so splendidly dressed in red, marching along in power and strength?” It is the Lord, powerful to save, coming to announce his victory. “Why is his clothing so red, like that of a man who tramples grapes to make wine?”
The Lord answers, “I have trampled the nations like grapes and no one came to help me. I trampled them in my anger, and their blood has stained all my clothing. I decided that the time to save my people had come; it was time to punish their enemies, I was amazed when I looked and saw that there was no one to help me. But my anger made me strong, and I won the victory myself. In my anger I trampled whole nations and shattered them, I poured out their life’s blood on the earth.”

Zechariah 12: 10,they will look upon me and see the one who they pierced, and they shall mourn for him as one mourns for an only child etc.
The Lord will come to fight for his people Israel as he has fought in times past and from within the inner most sanctuary of his tabernacle, which is the body of mankind, he will fight the enemies of Israel; those Nations who surround Jerusalem in their attempt to drive God's chosen people into the sea. The Lord will throw them into a state of total confusion, and the weapons of destruction with which they would destroy Israel, he will cause them to turn upon their own allies and they shall suffer a terrible disease, the soft tissue such as their eyes and tongues will melt in their sockets, and their radiated flesh, cooked to the bone, will slide from their bodies while still standing.
Then all the surviving Nations will go up each year to Jerusalem in the land of Israel, to worship the Lord as King and woe betide those who refuse to do so, See Zechariah 14.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

quote=footprints; Jesus was anything but enlightened when he lost it at the temple.
When someone loses it, it is a spontaneous action, they see something that upsets them and they drop their bundle and react without thinking it through, this Jesus did not do.
Mark 11: 11; Jesus entered Jerusalem, went into the Temple, and looked around at everything, (He would have seen the dishonest money changers plying their trade there in the house of prayer, does he lose it? Does he drop his bundle? No) But since it was late in the day, he went back to Bethany with his twelve disciples.
Verse 15; "The next day, when they arrived in Jerusalem, Jesus went to the Temple and began to drive out all those who were buying and selling. He overturned the tables of the money changers, etc."
Jesus didn't lose it matey, he thought it through and returned to the Temple next day and did what he was commanded to do. For Jesus, the obedient servant of our Lord and saviour, did nothing, nor spoke one word on his own authority, but only that which he was commanded to do and say, by the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, who chose Jesus from among the Israelites and sent him to speak in his name.
quote=footprints; Nothing is going to happen soon, in the middle east, which had anything to do with God or Jesus
I see that you are one who disagrees with the words of the Lord God our saviour, as spoken through his obedient servant Jesus, who is our hope.

Good point ^above^ about Jesus. His 'anger' was not uncontrolled like that of Cain, Esau or king Saul but based on sufficient cause of zeal for God's House of Worship. Ephesians 4:26 KJV says: Be ye angry, and sin not....
So justified anger is not loosing it, but properly directed zeal as Jesus had.

 

[Rainbow Mage]

I definitely think that Jesus wasn't sinless. There is the thing in the temple, which is why I don't think Jesus was entirely enlightened btw, he might have reached a certain level of enlightenment, there are different levels. Don't forget he also broke the sabbath, which according to the Bible itself is a sin, you can't have it both ways. He taught his disciples it was okay to pick grain on the sabbath, so he participated in a group sin.

 

[S-word]

I definitely think that Jesus wasn't sinless. There is the thing in the temple, which is why I don't think Jesus was entirely enlightened btw, he might have reached a certain level of enlightenment, there are different levels. Don't forget he also broke the sabbath, which according to the Bible itself is a sin, you can't have it both ways. He taught his disciples it was okay to pick grain on the sabbath, so he participated in a group sin.

Colossians 2: 16; So let no one make rules about what you eat or drink or about holy days or the New Moon Festival or the Sabbath. All such things are only a shadow of the future; the reality is Christ.

Once the reality of the sabbath was revealed there was no more need of it to be kept in the way of the ancients, just as the food laws were introduced for the health and well being of the Israelites in the desert, so too the Sabbath was introduced in order that we slaves might have one day of rest per week. As Jesus said, "man was not made for the Sabbath, but the Sabbath was made for man."

The reality of the Sabbath of course, is the seventh period of one thousand years, which is The Day of the Lord, when, for one thousand years Satan shall be bound, and the war that rages within the body of mankind will cease for a time and the world will experence a day of peace, when all those who received a share of the Immortal body of the Son of Man, which was torn asunder and poured out as fire on all those who believed the words of our Lord and saviour as spoken through his obedient servant Jesus, who spoke not one word on his own authority, but only that which he was commanded to say by the Lord, in whose name Jesus spoke.

All those who had received their share of the hidden Manna, the immortal body of The Son of Man, have been judged in the flesh as all are judged and in their spiritual existence they then lived as God lives. Gathering to themselves all the spirits of their obedient descendants who fell asleep in righteousness.

When each one has gathered the required number of Good spirits, who had paid the blood price for any mistakes they had made in their earthly lives, which blood will be able to redeem one man, they will then each choose for themselves a host body who is obedient to his indwelling ancestral spirit and in their chosen host bodies they will be reborn on earth, and in their new bodies over which death will have no power, they will take the thrones that have been prepared for them and rule with Christ for the thousand years.

From the Book of Jubilees 4: 30; And He (Adam) lacked seventy years of one thousand years; for one thousand years are as one day in the Testimony of the heavens and therefore was it written concerning the tree of knowledge; “On the day ye eat thereof ye shall die.” For this reason he did not complete the years of this day; for he died during it.

We are now at the close of the sixth day, and are soon to enter into the Day of The Lord, are you prepared, for it is only those who are obedient to “Who They Are,” who will be chosen. For the work that must be done is a dirty job, and those who are not obedient to their indwelling spirit, and would judge his commands as evil, cannot be used. Know yourself, and you will be known

 

[Rainbow Mage]

See that's what I mean, you say Jesus didn't sin, but you forget what the law says about the sabbath, or try to get around it, manipulate it, or change it. Either what the law says about sin is accurate or it is not.

 

[S-word]

See that's what I mean, you say Jesus didn't sin, but you forget what the law says about the sabbath, or try to get around it, manipulate it, or change it. Either what the law says about sin is accurate or it is not.

Matey, sin was in the world thousands of years before the Law was introduced. The law is only a mirror, by looking into the mirror we can see the state of our spiritual beings, but the written Law can save no one, it is the spirit of the law that we must follow, the written law can only bring death.

If I lie to save someone from a violent mob, who are set on killing him, my lie will be counted to me as righteousness, but if out of fear of loseing my immortal soul I refuse to lie to help the poor soul, then my obedience to the written law will be counted to me as sin.

For I tell you now that you can lie, there is a time to steal
There is a time to disobey, there is a time to kill
There is a work that must be done upon the Sabbath day
No one who understands the Lord would teach another way
For the spirit judges not on what you do
The heart and soul of man he searches through
The reason why the deeds of man are done
This is what the Lord God judges on.

 

[footprints]

quote=footprints; Jesus was anything but enlightened when he lost it at the temple.

When someone loses it, it is a spontaneous action, they see something that upsets them and they drop their bundle and react without thinking it through, this Jesus did not do.

Mark 11: 11; Jesus entered Jerusalem, went into the Temple, and looked around at everything, (He would have seen the dishonest money changers plying their trade there in the house of prayer, does he lose it? Does he drop his bundle? No) But since it was late in the day, he went back to Bethany with his twelve disciples.

Verse 15; "The next day, when they arrived in Jerusalem, Jesus went to the Temple and began to drive out all those who were buying and selling. He overturned the tables of the money changers, etc."

Jesus didn't lose it matey, he thought it through and returned to the Temple next day and did what he was commanded to do. For Jesus, the obedient servant of our Lord and saviour, did nothing, nor spoke one word on his own authority, but only that which he was commanded to do and say, by the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, who chose Jesus from among the Israelites and sent him to speak in his name.

We live in a justified world, this is the world all paths of enlightenment attack. Get rid of justification and the world goes back to base reality once more.

Justification, pure and simple, and which the path of enlightenment as left by Jesus, when it is used and implemented properly, fully explains and rids the brain of this foul human traite, born of human intelligence.

Jesus lost it, clear and simple, and committed a wrong. Just tell me again, who is it who shall Judge? You? Me? Jesus? as I remember it, God alone shall judge.

Justification comes from an insane mind, not an enlightened one. Justificaton changes the state of balance and gives one thought, one premise, right of might above all others. The path of enlightenment as left by Jesus, attacks justification at its root core. Jesus was clearly not enlightened when he lost it at the Temple and committed the wrong he committed there.

Your reasoning of Justified wrong in the defence of Jesus, is what Islamic extremist use to justify their wrongs. Jesus in this particular case at the Temple, was little better than an Islamic extremist who would take it to the next step and actually kill the people they didn't like, and this action did nothing to promote the world of love, kindness and forgiveness he was trying to promote.

If everybody in the world, decided they were justified in physically attacking something that they didn't personally like, and went about this business all at the same time, would the world be a better place, or a worse place to live in? Anarchy has no place on earth, it certainly wouldn't have any place in heaven.

There are two ways a person can lose it. Spontaneously, or by dwelling on the matter. Jesus dwelled on the matter and used human intelligence instead of wisdom to find an answer, another fact of evidence which clearly says he wasn't fully enightened at the time and was completely human.

I see that you are one who disagrees with the words of the Lord God our saviour, as spoken through his obedient servant Jesus, who is our hope. But never mind, your belief can do nothing to stop the inevitable, the day to save his people is near.

Numbers 24: 17, “A king, like a bright star, will arise in that Nation. Like a comet he will come from Israel. He will strike the leaders of Moab and beat down all the people of Seth. He will conquer his enemies in Edom and make their land his property. While Israel continues victorious. The Nation of Israel will trample them down and wipe out the last survivors.” Do you not believe the word of the Lord as spoken through the prophet Balaam the son of Beor, or have you misconstrued it as most Christians have and somehow (which is beyond my ability to comprehend) believe that this prophecy was fulfilled 2000 years ago when the Lord sent, in his name “Who I Am,” the young Israelite Jesus, to do and say only that which he was commanded.

Isaiah 63: 1-6, “Who is this coming from the city of Bozrah in Edom? Who is this so splendidly dressed in red, marching along in power and strength?” It is the Lord, powerful to save, coming to announce his victory. “Why is his clothing so red, like that of a man who tramples grapes to make wine?”
The Lord answers, “I have trampled the nations like grapes and no one came to help me. I trampled them in my anger, and their blood has stained all my clothing. I decided that the time to save my people had come; it was time to punish their enemies, I was amazed when I looked and saw that there was no one to help me. But my anger made me strong, and I won the victory myself. In my anger I trampled whole nations and shattered them, I poured out their life’s blood on the earth.”

Zechariah 12: 10,they will look upon me and see the one who they pierced, and they shall mourn for him as one mourns for an only child etc.
The Lord will come to fight for his people Israel as he has fought in times past and from within the inner most sanctuary of his tabernacle, which is the body of mankind, he will fight the enemies of Israel; those Nations who surround Jerusalem in their attempt to drive God's chosen people into the sea. The Lord will throw them into a state of total confusion, and the weapons of destruction with which they would destroy Israel, he will cause them to turn upon their own allies and they shall suffer a terrible disease, the soft tissue such as their eyes and tongues will melt in their sockets, and their radiated flesh, cooked to the bone, will slide from their bodies while still standing.
Then all the surviving Nations will go up each year to Jerusalem in the land of Israel, to worship the Lord as King and woe betide those who refuse to do so, See Zechariah 14.

Nothing is going to happen soon in the middle east, which has anything to do with God and or Jesus.