The Nazi's,the Muslim Brotherhood and Palestine

[England my lionheart]

I don't support Hamas.

However, I also do not support an expansionist government such as Israel, who has, to date, ignored over 40 UN Resolutions, from those that established her borders to demands to let UN Inspectors in to see her nuclear arsenal.

Are Arabs innocent? No, but neither is Israel. There are no innocents in this conflict, including the US who continues to pour million in civil AND military aid into Israel.

Perhaps there are no innocents as you say but the fact is for over 80 years there has been an ideology who's only purpose is to eradicate the Jewish people.
Palestine has never had any leadership thats worthy of the name,they have all followed in he steps of Husseini,even Arafat was proud to be one of his Soldiers,in the entire Hamas Charter there is nothing to say "this is for the Palestinian people" its only aim is for the destruction of Israel.

 

[AxisMundi]

Perhaps there are no innocents as you say but the fact is for over 80 years there has been an ideology who's only purpose is to eradicate the Jewish people.
Palestine has never had any leadership thats worthy of the name,they have all followed in he steps of Husseini,even Arafat was proud to be one of his Soldiers,in the entire Hamas Charter there is nothing to say "this is for the Palestinian people" its only aim is for the destruction of Israel.

So this excuses the atrocities committed by Israel, and it's government mandated and supported expansionist practices how?

Two wrongs (not even addressing your "Nazi" portion ATM) do not make a right.

 

[darkendless]

Perhaps if Israel stopped trying to colonize areas that are not theirs, there would be no need for a Hamas?

According to many, the whole lot including Tel Aviv isn't even theirs.

 

[Caladan]

Egyptian television view of the holocaust. numbers of Jewish deaths... 30,000?
'Jews forced Hitler to take this kind of action against them'?
interesting video which I find directly linked to this thread.

MEMRI: Egyptian Researcher Sa'id Okasha Challenges Antisemitic Myths on Al-Faraeen TV

 

[Troublemane]

Egyptian television view of the holocaust. numbers of Jewish deaths... 30,000?
'Jews forced Hitler to take this kind of action against them'?
interesting video which I find directly linked to this thread.

MEMRI: Egyptian Researcher Sa'id Okasha Challenges Antisemitic Myths on Al-Faraeen TV

Wowie. I watched a few minutes of that and had to stop, it was so ridiculous! LoL

Apparently the Jews were conspiring against Hitler because they were jealous that he was a pure Aryan, and they were confused about being Semites? And when this brought massive persecution upon them, they enlisted help from abroad to increase their conspiracy? I fail to see any sort of coherent argument there!

 

[Caladan]

Wowie. I watched a few minutes of that and had to stop, it was so ridiculous! LoL

Apparently the Jews were conspiring against Hitler because they were jealous that he was a pure Aryan, and they were confused about being Semites? And when this brought massive persecution upon them, they enlisted help from abroad to increase their conspiracy? I fail to see any sort of coherent argument there!

Actually I highly recommend you to view and get to the interview part, you will be amazed by the research standards of the media, and the things they promote on the media. I found the interview part perhaps the most relevant and important to watch.

 

[England my lionheart]

Egyptian television view of the holocaust. numbers of Jewish deaths... 30,000?
'Jews forced Hitler to take this kind of action against them'?
interesting video which I find directly linked to this thread.

MEMRI: Egyptian Researcher Sa'id Okasha Challenges Antisemitic Myths on Al-Faraeen TV

Great Video,amazing that anyone could be that ignorant,one thing that i have pulled from the interview is this:

Every country has the right to use all means available for the sake of its interests. This should not be considered a Jewish or Israeli conspiracy.

 

[England my lionheart]

So this excuses the atrocities committed by Israel, and it's government mandated and supported expansionist practices how?

Two wrongs (not even addressing your "Nazi" portion ATM) do not make a right.

Nothing excuses atrocities but Israel are no worse than any other Country

 

[Caladan]

Great Video,amazing that anyone could be that ignorant,one thing that i have pulled from the interview is this:

Every country has the right to use all means available for the sake of its interests. This should not be considered a Jewish or Israeli conspiracy.

Exactly, this also caught my attention, and of course the man interviewed is right on the money on this one.

 

[England my lionheart]

Exactly, this also caught my attention, and of course the man interviewed is right on the money on this one.

At least someone got something right,the interviewer reminded me of a sketch from Monty Python

 

[Caladan]

At least someone got something right,the interviewer reminded me of a sketch from Monty Python

Ironically, that's true. hard to believe that this is media and television. even harder to believe when she boasts of their research, while she cites figures such as 150,000, 30,000, leaving aside the claims that the Jews deserved it.

 

[England my lionheart]

Ironically, that's true. hard to believe that this is media and television. even harder to believe when she boasts of their research, while she cites figures such as 150,000, 30,000, leaving aside the claims that the Jews deserved it.

Obviously education isn't very high on their list or is it rather a blind eye to facts.

 

[AxisMundi]

Nothing excuses atrocities but Israel are no worse than any other Country

Thank you, that's the point I was trying to make.

Israel isn't special, and deserves no special treatment from the US or EU.

Many countries have been founded by force of arms. The US for example, in our Revolution and our Expansion westward, including Texas. Great Britain was formed under the invading heels of the Saxons. The Middle East was divided up by colonial France and England with no thought or consideration for cultural, religious, or tribal lines.

Israel too was founded upon force of arms. The UN recognized Israel as a free and separate Nation and set her borders by the democratic process.

Since then, Israel has ignored over 40 UN Resolutions, built nuclear weapons while refusing to sign on to the Nuclear Non-proliferation Treaty and refuses to let UN inspectors in, and continues to expand her borders well past those granted by the UN, among other activities of which we have accused the so-called "rogue nations" of doing.

It is my firmest opinion that until Israel abides by said UN Resolutions, retreats behind her borders, and stops such actions as dumping phosphorus into neighborhoods, they should not get one word, or dollar, of support from the US.

 

[England my lionheart]

Thank you, that's the point I was trying to make.

Israel isn't special, and deserves no special treatment from the US or EU.

Many countries have been founded by force of arms. The US for example, in our Revolution and our Expansion westward, including Texas. Great Britain was formed under the invading heels of the Saxons. The Middle East was divided up by colonial France and England with no thought or consideration for cultural, religious, or tribal lines.

Israel too was founded upon force of arms. The UN recognized Israel as a free and separate Nation and set her borders by the democratic process.

Since then, Israel has ignored over 40 UN Resolutions, built nuclear weapons while refusing to sign on to the Nuclear Non-proliferation Treaty and refuses to let UN inspectors in, and continues to expand her borders well past those granted by the UN, among other activities of which we have accused the so-called "rogue nations" of doing.

It is my firmest opinion that until Israel abides by said UN Resolutions, retreats behind her borders, and stops such actions as dumping phosphorus into neighborhoods, they should not get one word, or dollar, of support from the US.

I see,you would like to cut them adrift and leave them to their fate whatever that may be,that would please Iran for one and of course Hizbollah.

 

[dust1n]

While groups such as AATW use questionable methods, there are various of legit Israeli human right groups, and political parties such as New Movement-Meretz - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia who might be much more productive.
as a reservist who's unit had to deal with AATW on one occasion, I find legitimate political parties and human right groups to make a much better case, instead of provoking and testing soldiers. AATW are not a political party, they have no representation in the government, Meretz does.
at some point people have to grow up, and instead of throwing stones at soldiers, express their agenda like the rest of the citizens who aspire to maintain normality.

EDIT:

Anyhow seems that the main topic of this thread is being diverted. its possible to open a different thread about other related topics.

Thanks for the link; was not familiar with Meretz - though, I still am support AATW.

Any group that opposes war is going to be on my side.

 

[dust1n]

I see,you would like to cut them adrift and leave them to their fate whatever that may be,that would please Iran for one and of course Hizbollah.

Is this less moral than supplying their own aristocracies?

 

[England my lionheart]

Is this less moral than supplying their own aristocracies?

I see it more of a case of survival

 

[dust1n]

I see it more of a case of survival

Who's? Israeli's or Palestinian's; if America only takes note of anyone's survival, it's only because it's an investment for some greater profit later.

 

[Nietzsche]

I see,you would like to cut them adrift and leave them to their fate whatever that may be,that would please Iran for one and of course Hizbollah.

Actually, yes. It is not the place of America to defend a racist state. Israel is designed to be nothing more than a Jewish State. A State for Jews. They're already trying to colonize the Palestinian portions. Mossad is nothing more than a group of well-funded thugs who get away with murder because they call it anti-terrorism.

It's an insult to our collective intelligence for Israel to pull this ****. I don't care what about what happened to you Sixty Years Ago. That gives you no right to do nigh the same thing to another minority. Theocracies are bad. Regardless of what faith they represent.

Gah. Not to mention this thread was started by a post that is nothing more than an invoking Godwin. "RAWR, THEY WERE AT ONE POINT MAYBE KIND OF INFLUENCED BY NAZI GERMANY". Yeah. That's not an argument, that's shutting your eyes, covering your ears and yelling 'LA-LA-LA I CAN'T HEAR YOU'.

And, really, for the short amount of time I've been here, I only see you post about the horrors of Islam. Do you happen to be a member of the BNP, or the BUF?

 

[England my lionheart]

Who's? Israeli's or Palestinian's; if America only takes note of anyone's survival, it's only because it's an investment for some greater profit later.

Palestines survival is in its own hands,or rather in the hands of Hamas