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Why doesn't God destroy Satan?

lostsurf911

New Member
Why did God kill/order the killings of people who have done wrong to Him (Canaanites, Egyptians, Sodom and Gomorrah, pre flood civilizations, etc) and not kill the source of the evil, thus preventing the wrongdoers from doing those things that were bad?

In other words, instead of killing humans that were deceived by Satan, why didn't God just kill Satan?

Is God protecting Satan? If so, why?

Is God using Satan as a pawn in His elaborate, divine plan? If so, where does Satan's free will come in?

Thoughts?
 

enchanted_one1975

Resident Lycanthrope
Welcome to RF, lostsurf911. My thoughts are because Satan is not real. You will hear that and so many other opinions here. :yes: Just be sure to keep an open mind and remember there are many different faiths among our members!
 

Azakel

Liebe ist für alle da
I think it could be that "God" is not as powerful or "All Being" as his followers wish him to be or that he wish for his followers to being he is.
 

Quagmire

Imaginary talking monkey
Staff member
Premium Member
Why did God kill/order the killings of people who have done wrong to Him (Canaanites, Egyptians, Sodom and Gomorrah, pre flood civilizations, etc) and not kill the source of the evil, thus preventing the wrongdoers from doing those things that were bad?

In other words, instead of killing humans that were deceived by Satan, why didn't God just kill Satan?

Because Satan doesn't deceive us, he just gives us someone to blame when we deceive ourselves.

Is God protecting Satan? If so, why?

What would Satan need to be protected from?

Is God using Satan as a pawn in His elaborate, divine plan? If so, where does Satan's free will come in?

Thoughts?

To answer the title of this thread, I don't think Satan is God's enemy. At most he's His sparing partner. And really, I wouldn't even go that far; it's more like Satan is our sparing partner. God's just the referee.
 

te_lanus

Alien Hybrid
Why did God kill/order the killings of people who have done wrong to Him (Canaanites, Egyptians, Sodom and Gomorrah, pre flood civilizations, etc) and not kill the source of the evil, thus preventing the wrongdoers from doing those things that were bad?

In other words, instead of killing humans that were deceived by Satan, why didn't God just kill Satan?
Why would he kill something/someone who is in his service.

Is God protecting Satan? If so, why?
No. He doesn't need to.

Is God using Satan as a pawn in His elaborate, divine plan? If so, where does Satan's free will come in?
Satan/devil/Lucifer is just like any other angel. He works for God, and perform what God allow him to do.
 

lostsurf911

New Member
Satan/devil/Lucifer is just like any other angel. He works for God, and perform what God allow him to do.

But he's not like any other angel. He was God's most beloved angels. Then he rebelled so God put Satan in Hell. Now, why would Satan, who rebelled against God and hated God, still work for Him? Sure, Satan doesn't have God's power and authority to do whatever he wants, but he still operates on free will.
 
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Quagmire

Imaginary talking monkey
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Premium Member
But he's not like any other angel. He was God's most beloved angels. Then he rebelled so God put Satan in Hell. Now, why would Satan, who rebelled against God and hated God, still work for Him? Sure, Satan doesn't have God's power and authority to do whatever he wants, but he still operates on free will.

Where is this in the Bible?
 

te_lanus

Alien Hybrid
But he's not like any other angel. He was God's most beloved angels. Then he rebelled so God put Satan in Hell. Now, why would Satan, who rebelled against God and hated God, still work for Him? Sure, Satan doesn't have God's power and authority to do whatever he wants, but he still operates on free will.
But in Job Satan had to go to God before he was allowed to tempt Job. the current view of satan/devil/Lucifer is a mix of the ancient jewish devil, the Zoroastrian Angra Mainyu and many of the european pagan Gods.
 

zenzero

Its only a Label
Friend lostsurf911,

Why doesn't God destroy Satan?

Find me those two and shall get them for the biggest prize money boxing fight in history.
However, jokes apart, TRUTH is that there is neither and god or satan. They are concepts which humans developed or which came out of our [human] thoughts.
Once thoughts are *stilled* their is neither any god or satan and so buddha never spoke of god or soul.
Love & rgds
 

Falvlun

Earthbending Lemur
Premium Member
Because it's kinda hard for someone who doesn't exist to destroy someone else that doesn't exist.
 

lostsurf911

New Member
But in Job Satan had to go to God before he was allowed to tempt Job. the current view of satan/devil/Lucifer is a mix of the ancient jewish devil, the Zoroastrian Angra Mainyu and many of the european pagan Gods.

No not necessarily. It was more like Satan was making a wager with God. Consider Job 1:9-11. Satan doesn't ask for God's permission, he challenges God and God accepts the challenge.
 

Quagmire

Imaginary talking monkey
Staff member
Premium Member
Which part? Here's some scripture that talks about Satan being perfect then cast out of heaven.

(Isaiah 14:12-14, NIV)

This passage is about the King of Babylon.

(Ezekiel 28:11-19, NIV)

This one is about a king of Tyre.

(Revelation 12:7-9)

This last one, supposedly, is a prediction of a future event.

You're using dogmatic interpretations. Nothing wrong with that if you're in church, but that's the only place they have any value.
 

te_lanus

Alien Hybrid
Which part? Here's some scripture that talks about Satan being perfect then cast out of heaven.

(Isaiah 14:12-14, NIV)
Isa 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven,.... This is not to be understood of the fall of Satan, and the apostate angels, from their first estate, when they were cast down from heaven to hell - John Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible

(Ezekiel 28:11-19, NIV)
Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty.
(Eze 28:12 KJV)
Again nothing to do about Satan/Devil/Lucifer.
"in all probability the king of Tyre is called a "cherub" because of his wisdom and power; "anointed", because of his royal dignity" - John Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible
 

lostsurf911

New Member
This passage is about the King of Babylon.

"How you are fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning..." Also, if you consider the context of these verses, they are definitely not talking a mortal king.

This one is about a king of Tyre.

It was addressed to king of Tyre but if you look at phrases such as "You were the seal of perfection", "You were in Eden", "You were the anointed cherub", "You were perfect in your ways". This is not talking about a man. In the Christian religion, Jesus is the only man who was perfect.

This last one, supposedly, is a prediction of a future event.

You're using dogmatic interpretations. Nothing wrong with that if you're in church, but that's the only place they have any value.

Who's to say which interpretation is right and which one is wrong?
 

Quagmire

Imaginary talking monkey
Staff member
Premium Member
Who's to say which interpretation is right and which one is wrong?

It depends on the situation; if a person is trying to prove (to themselves or to other members of their church) that the traditional view of Satan is biblical, your interpretation works just fine.

On the other hand, if someone is trying to determine what the passages were actually intended to mean, the dogmatic interpretations make the least sense, have the least historical backing, and can easily be shown to be the product of a specific agenda.

In other words, anywhere outside of the church, they don't hold up.
 

Quagmire

Imaginary talking monkey
Staff member
Premium Member
"How you are fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning..."

"Lucifer" is merely Latin for "Morning Star". Jesus himself is refered to as the "Morning Star" twice in the NT.

Also, if you consider the context of these verses, they are definitely not talking a mortal king. It was addressed to king of Tyre but if you look at phrases such as "You were the seal of perfection", "You were in Eden", "You were the anointed cherub", "You were perfect in your ways". This is not talking about a man.

The author is speaking poetically. None of the things attributed to the subject of this passage we're believed to apply to Satan by the people of the author's time and religion.

The idea that Satan was in Eden would have seemed foreign to him as well.


In the Christian religion, Jesus is the only man who was perfect.


Ezekiel wasn't a Christian.
 
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Quagmire

Imaginary talking monkey
Staff member
Premium Member
Here's the two passages where Jesus is refered to as "Morning Star".


  1. 2 Peter 1:19
    And we have the word of the prophets made more certain, and you will do well to pay attention to it, as to a light shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts.
    2 Peter 1:18-20 (in Context) 2 Peter 1 (Whole Chapter)
  2. Revelation 22:16
    "I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star."
 
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