Unes said:the question was after 2000 years why it has taken so long for Jesus to come back?
Because it isn't up to Him as to when. Only the Father knows. It's the Most High's time table and not ours or anyone elses.
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Unes said:the question was after 2000 years why it has taken so long for Jesus to come back?
yuvgotmel said:The Kingdom of Heaven is Within You
and ... The Meek Shall Inherit the EARTH.
If there be any truth to Jesus message and he was truly an ascended master, then his teachings reflected not a physical location but a long-term pursuit of introspection and enlightenment. Looking for heaven or god outside of yourself leads to Alien worlds.
Perhaps as technologies advance, maybe mankind will be able to travel to "heaven" then.
astarath said:Heaven is where the entity of God exists. I am not refering to the God that exists inside all of us nor the parts of God in everything but rather the corporeal(spirtual not material) form of God resides.
wizanda said:Heaven is surrounding us, in a transcendental dimensions, above the fabric of this reality in consciousness.
wizanda, if this claim is true, then what can we say about the Christianity, which embraces John Gospel!?wizanda said:As for John being Abrahamic I deny that strongly, on the ground Johns gospel is anti-Christ.
It stands against Christ (in the other gospels) and the Bible, so how on earth we can say it is abrahamic is beyond me, especially if in John, Christ is said to have called all the other prophets, no nothings, until he came along....looks like Pharisees making stuff up again, as John was.
Alsosandy whitelinger said:Because the time of the Gentiles is not complete.
wmam said:Because it isn't up to Him as to when. Only the Father knows. It's the Most High's time table and not ours or anyone elses.
Unes said:wmam, I did acknowledged; that Jesus does not know the End Date. But apparently you forgot the rest of my arguments! It is not good to be forgetful to this extend! Some people might interpret that as deceptions!
wmam said:I admit with all the other gibberish going on I did forget most of your arguments. Would you do this old bat a favor and list them in order and categorically so that I and others can attempt to address them please? I will state that I will go as far as to agree with you now as to the divinity of this Jesus as being a hoax. Its not even the real name of the real Mashiach.
Unes said:wmam, I did not mean to be offensive in this matter.
Unes said:I can summarize my argument as follows, even though some of these concepts have not been discussed in this thread:
Unes said:1. Without resorting to the supernatural phenomena I rationally concluded the existence of a Designer for this Universe.
Unes said:2. Believing in God does NOT obligate us to accept the Holy Books as DIRECT words from God.
Unes said:If words of God are here to enlighten us, then they should do so, without any AMBIGUITY!
Unes said:3. From the verses of the Bible we can Prove that Jesus Divinity is a HOAX.
Unes said:4. Our brilliant minds are our Gift from God, and we are obligated to use our brains to their utmost potentials. And whoever denies us the Freedom of Thoughts they are only FALSE prophets.
Unes said:5. Our spiritual growth is only possible, when we use the full power of our brains to explore the structure of this Universe, and from that we sense the presence of a Creator, and maybe we find out the purpose of our existence.
Unes said:The Abrahamic Theologies are part of our Humanity cultures, which belong to ALL of us, and in practice they are affecting every one of us. So we as members of the human race have every right to be concern about what these institutions are teaching to their followers. These doctrines are not so benign and peaceful educations, which they only mind their own business, they do reach out and touch the whole communities of nations. Under the banner of Peace and submission to God they do insight enormous Crises. The fanatics cannot be left alone, since their activities are affecting everybody. The clash of the religions is a serious matter, which is affecting everybody, and we have seen the root causes of the war on terror. So it is our vital interests to resolve these problems.
Unes said:The affairs of the Faith are too important that we take them so lightly and allow them to be manipulated without an exhaustive examination. There have been so many abuses of the Faith. Our religions are supposed to remedy our humans
miseries, and give enlightenment to our spiritual growth, not to confuse us in many fronts.
yuvgotmel said:The Kingdom of Heaven is Within You
and ... The Meek Shall Inherit the EARTH.
If you are looking for a physical location of heaven or god outside of yourself, then you should plan to encounter extra-dimensional and extra-terrestrial beings (i.e. ETs, UFOs). An attempt to find a physical location for heaven is the equivalent of what the Gnostics consider the Outer Darkness. If there be any truth to Jesus message and he was truly an ascended master, then his teachings reflected not a physical location but a long-term pursuit of introspection and enlightenment. Looking for heaven or god outside of yourself leads to Alien worlds.
Unes said:
2. Believing in God does NOT obligate us to accept the Holy Books as DIRECT words from God. If words of God are here to enlighten us, then they should do so, without any AMBIGUITY!
May God Bless us all,
Unes
sandy whitelinger, you misunderstood it, the question was after 2000 years why it has taken so long for Jesus to come back?
May God Bless us all,
Unes
I'm going to assume you are being sarcastic here, assume that you are educated enough to know the difference between "space" and galaxies and universes, that you are aware of the possibilities of multi-universes, and light speed and the distances involved i the cosmos, so when you say "the other side of space" you must be being facetious. I think we have to be careful with sarcasm as it is sometime difficult to tell the difference between that and being serious.Heaven is on the other side of space. In the beginning there was heaven and earth. The fimament (space) separated the waters from above from the waters below. This put a space between heaven and earth.
Mine is 2 feet 8 inches, yours?How far is the hand at the end of ones arm???????????????????????????????
Seriously, the Biblical description of the location of heaven is described in Genesis 1. The firmament, space, divided whe waters above from the waters below. This placed space between the earth and heaven according to the Bible.I'm going to assume you are being sarcastic here, assume that you are educated enough to know the difference between "space" and galaxies and universes, that you are aware of the possibilities of multi-universes, and light speed and the distances involved i the cosmos, so when you say "the other side of space" you must be being facetious. I think we have to be careful with sarcasm as it is sometime difficult to tell the difference between that and being serious.
The bible is not a science book, I'm surprised you don't realize this.Seriously, the Biblical description of the location of heaven is described in Genesis 1. The firmament, space, divided whe waters above from the waters below. This placed space between the earth and heaven according to the Bible.
Duh. What?The bible is not a science book, I'm surprised you don't realize this.
Ok where does science say heaven is?
Duh, science does not address things from the supernatural, there not real, I would have thought you would know this. Your giving me a description of heaven according to the bible but the bible has nothing to say about science only about myths, again I'm surprised you didn't know this, oh well.Duh. What?
Ok where does science say heaven is?
Actually, I know all of this. It seems you are the one who failed to realize a few things.Duh, science does not address things from the supernatural, there not real, I would have thought you would know this. Your giving me a description of heaven according to the bible but the bible has nothing to say about science only about myths, again I'm surprised you didn't know this, oh well.
Then perhaps you could be less veiled and tell me exactly what I am failing to realize.Actually, I know all of this. It seems you are the one who failed to realize a few things.
That heaven is a Biblical concept and I offered the Biblical perpective on the location of heaven.Then perhaps you could be less veiled and tell me exactly what I am failing to realize.