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What will happen if US/British/Nato forces lose in Afghanistan?

sandandfoam

Veteran Member
I read today that
The British general set to take charge of UK and other Nato forces in southern Afghanistan warned today that time for tackling the Taliban was running out.Major General Nick Carter, who will take charge of 45,000 troops six weeks from now, said there was an opportunity to "make a difference" in the next year but added that forces needed to show "positive trends" as soon as possible.
"I absolutely acknowledge that time is not on our side ... we've got to show positive trends as quickly as we possibly can," Carter told the BBC
source Time running out to tackle Taliban in Afghanistan, British general warns | World news | guardian.co.uk
What'll happen if the Taliban win?
 

Scarlett Wampus

psychonaut
I haven't a clue! I don't think the threat of terrorism would be any more or less though, perhaps less.

I'm mostly convinced we will lose. The objectives of the war are strategically fanciful and money is tight. Realistically we'd need a very large number of troops occupying the country for an indefinite amount of time. Its not going to happen. The Taliban will survive, dust themselves off and resume their dominance. I think the civilians believe that too so they won't support the occupying forces.
 

Storm

ThrUU the Looking Glass
I'm not politically astute enough to answer the OP in detail, but I disagree with Scarlett Wampus. Should we fail in Afghanistan, I think the threat of terrorism will be increased, primarily due to resentment over the failed operations.
 

Scarlett Wampus

psychonaut
I'm not politically astute enough to answer the OP in detail, but I disagree with Scarlett Wampus. Should we fail in Afghanistan, I think the threat of terrorism will be increased, primarily due to resentment over the failed operations.
lol, so you think resentment will be worse afterwards than it is now?
 

YmirGF

Bodhisattva in Recovery
Yeppers. That's not to say it isn't bad now, of course. But it can ALWAYS get worse.
Exactly. Tell that to anyone who has prayed for a new boss and then got a new boss... only to wish they had the old boss back.
 

Valjean

Veteran Member
Premium Member
I'm not politically astute enough to answer the OP in detail, but I disagree with Scarlett Wampus. Should we fail in Afghanistan, I think the threat of terrorism will be increased, primarily due to resentment over the failed operations.

Resentment? Resentment by whom? The US Republican party is the only group I can think of offhand that might resent our disengagement, but you mention terrorism, so I suspect you're referring to some other group.
 

Storm

ThrUU the Looking Glass
Resentment? Resentment by whom? The US Republican party is the only group I can think of offhand that might resent our disengagement, but you mention terrorism, so I suspect you're referring to some other group.
The Afghani people. As I understand it, we're far from done rebuilding.
 

Valjean

Veteran Member
Premium Member
The Afghanis don't want us there. They don't want the "Taliban" either. They complain that every time we show up they're in danger. We're a conflict magnet.
They just want to be left alone to live their traditional feudal lives.
 

Storm

ThrUU the Looking Glass
The Afghanis don't want us there. They don't want the "Taliban" either. They complain that every time we show up they're in danger. We're a conflict magnet.
They just want to be left alone to live their traditional feudal lives.
I think it's a mistake to assume such unanimity.

Even if that's the case, there must be some who consider us the lesser evil, and would resent being abandoned. We're in now, we can't just bail because it's not a walk in the park.
 

Valjean

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Outside of Kabul, war weariness and resentment of all sides is pretty widespread. And keep in mind that the Taliban are there in reaction to our occupation.
The Afghanis are tired of wedding parties and funerals being attacked by invisible drones from above. Resentment from these incidents spread like wildfire throughout the country.
They're tired of the Taliban threatening to kill them if they co-operate with the Americans or vote. The schools, &c we build get co-opted by the Taliban and the UN has to go back six months later and blow them up.
They're tired of the pretend government from Kabul, and they're furious about the egregious joke that was the election -- of a President of nothing.
 

Valjean

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Things are terrible. The "Taliban" -- not the original Pakistani students" but anyone who's unemployed and ****** off -- Are resurgent
 

Storm

ThrUU the Looking Glass
I'm aware of that. I'm just saying that things could still get worse, and I think they're likely to if we bail out.
 

England my lionheart

Rockerjahili Rebel
Premium Member
I agree with Storm,if we leave the Taliban will make life a whole lot worse for the Afghanis,it should be remembered that the Taliban are'nt even Afghan nationals and it should be remembered what life was like the last time they had control.
 

Scarlett Wampus

psychonaut
I agree with Storm,if we leave the Taliban will make life a whole lot worse for the Afghanis,it should be remembered that the Taliban are'nt even Afghan nationals and it should be remembered what life was like the last time they had control.
You think its been better since we stormed in? For a year or two after the invasion Afghans generally hoped we might help facilitate a better future but now most say its no better or worse than before. We've made a real hash of things. Resentment has steadily grown together with the Taliban's resurgence and civilian casualties with the war still raging on.

Afghans are stuck in the middle getting pushed around and shot at by both sides. They hate us, they hate the Taliban, but they think they'll end up stuck with the Taliban.
 

England my lionheart

Rockerjahili Rebel
Premium Member
It is sad,they have a corrupt Government with no alternatives and they are stuck in the middle but just like Iraq we can't just leave for many reasons
 
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