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Is it wrong to advocate homosexuality as a sin?

Carico

Active Member
I'm not an atheist but you scare the heck out of me. Do you hate heretics like me too?

I know I scare you because I believe the word of God and know who He is. So I scare you just as much as the bible does and therefore consider your comment a great compliment. So thank you. :)
 

Fatihah

Well-Known Member
[QUOTE Trey of Diamonds]Yes we can, but I'm sure it is a surprise to you that most of us don't think it is you.(End Quote)

Response: Then most, like you are in denial.

(Quote Trey of Diamonds)
Autodictact is one of the most logical and moral people I've ever read, even on the occasions when we disagree. But you continually insult and demand that others accept your limited view of religion as the one and only truth. Well I for one reject that idea.(End Quote)

Response: Post 816 proves to the contrary.
 

Trey of Diamonds

Well-Known Member
I know I scare you because I believe the word of God and know who He is. So I scare you just as much as the bible does and therefore consider your comment a great compliment. So thank you. :)

Interesting. You enjoy the fear and discomfort of others and you use your religion as a weapon to cause that fear and discomfort so that you can gain further enjoyment. Sounds kind of like a vampire of sorts, feeding off the spiritual pain of others.
 

Fatihah

Well-Known Member
Since I last checked in, this thread has grown by a good 20+ pages. Let me see whether I can recap, rather than reading through everything.

Fatihah and Carico (and possibly others) have continued with their lies and ignorance, which included silliness like "homosexuality is only about lust" and "there's the statement, where's the proof" and "no, this is how you feel".

Meanwhile, Green Gaia, Autodidact, Father Heathen, Storm and others have refuted everything they said with logic and reason, despite the fact that the others have made it clear they don't want anything to do with reality, and that they'd rather stay in their fantasy world.

Does that about sum it up? Or did I miss something?

Response: Yeah. You forgot the proof. Then again, you can't forget something you don't have.
 

Carico

Active Member
Thank you, I do. Of course. If you were as lucky as I am, and shared true love, yours would also be gone when you die. That's life. Obviously. Wait, didn't you just say that I would be happy my entire life? You wouldn't be trying to scare me by convincing me that you know what's going to happen after I die, would you? How stupid do you think I am? Unless you've been dead?

I'm not lucky, I'm blessed. I have a wonderful husband and I'm forgiven by God so I'm going to heaven. Nothing can be better than that. :)

Jesus knows what happens when you die. And since you haven't shown the world that you know better than he does, then I'm afraid you're up a creek without a paddle on judgment day. But since that's the price you're willing to pay for the fleeting desires of the flesh, then that's your problem not mine. ;)
 

Magic Man

Reaper of Conversation
Here's what I don't get. Fatihah and Carico, you believe homosexuality is wrong and immoral because your religious books say so. So, say that and leave. That's all there is to it. I don't understand trying to rationalize it other than that. It's not unnatural and it's not all about lust and it's none of the other lies you make up about it. You would come off as a lot less ignorant and people would give you a lot more respect, if you'd just admit that you think it's bad because of your religion, and leave it at that.
 

Magic Man

Reaper of Conversation
Response: Yeah. You forgot the proof. Then again, you can't forget something you don't have.

In other words, I didn't miss anything. Got it. Just wanted to make sure you hadn't suddenly seen the light or anything. Glad to see you're still wallowing in ignorance.
 

Autodidact

Intentionally Blank
I'm not lucky, I'm blessed. I have a wonderful husband and I'm forgiven by God so I'm going to heaven. Nothing can be better than that. :)
I hope so, although if your sex is only about lust and reproduction it doesn't sound so great.

Jesus knows what happens when you die.
O.K., first demonstrate this to be true.
And since you haven't shown the world that you know better than he does, then I'm afraid you're up a creek without a paddle on judgment day. But since that's the price you're willing to pay for the fleeting desires of the flesh, then that's your problem not mine. ;)
Well I have this huge advantage over Jesus--I'm real.

btw, did you know that preaching is against forum rules? If you want to share your religion, you should either present it as your personal beliefs, or support it. Just stating your odd, primitive belief system as though it was a fact is not allowed here.
 

Autodidact

Intentionally Blank
Fatihah: Educate me. In the religion I'm most familiar with, Judaism, sin = that which God prohibits. If God doesn't prohibit it, then it's not sin. Is that not the case in Islam?
 

Fatihah

Well-Known Member
Fatihah: If lesbianism were a sin, wouldn't Allah have told us in the Qu'ran? Are there sins not mentioned there? If so, how do you know they're sins?

Fatihah: So some sex is an expression of love, correct?

Response: The qur'an does mention it is a sin and yes, sex can be and should be, an expression of love. However, homosexuality is lust, so it's not possible.
 

Magic Man

Reaper of Conversation
(quoteFatihah)Response: The qur'an does mention it is a sin and yes, sex can be and should be, an expression of love. However, homosexuality is lust, so it's not possible.[/quote]

There's the statement. Where's the proof?
 

Fatihah

Well-Known Member
So just because physical intimacy between two women does not necessarily lead to reproduction does not mean it must be lust. There is at least a logical possibility that it could be an expression of love, correct?

Response: Incorrect. It is always lust. Reproduction has nothing to do with it.
 

Fatihah

Well-Known Member
Here's what I don't get. Fatihah and Carico, you believe homosexuality is wrong and immoral because your religious books say so. So, say that and leave. That's all there is to it. I don't understand trying to rationalize it other than that. It's not unnatural and it's not all about lust and it's none of the other lies you make up about it. You would come off as a lot less ignorant and people would give you a lot more respect, if you'd just admit that you think it's bad because of your religion, and leave it at that.

Response: The pot calling the kettle black. But we get you though. You say whatever will make someone like you. As long as someone pats you on the back and say "good boy", you're all for it. That's why you're here. That's why you post. Nothing more. Nothing less. How sad it is.
 

Autodidact

Intentionally Blank
Response: The qur'an does mention it is a sin and yes, sex can be and should be, an expression of love. However, homosexuality is lust, so it's not possible.

But you yourself told us that the qu'ran doesn't mention it. Were you mistaken? How can the qu'ran mention it as sin, if it doesn't mention it at all?

Well, you say that it's lust, but since you've been caught lying twice in this thread alone, we won't take your word for it. Besides, how would you know?

My understanding is that your argument was that since lesbian sex is not reproductive, it must be sin. But since you agree that there is a third choice, love, it does not follow.

Your other argument is that it violates the qu'ran, but you yourself told us it's not mentioned in the qu'ran, so that can't be it.

I think you made another quite ridiculous argument that since you're heterosexual, everyone else must be also, but surely even you can see how absurd that is, so I don't bother with it.

So, on what basis do you argue that homosexual physical love must inherently be lust? Remember, when you answer, there are several here who have direct personal experience to the contrary. Speaking for myself, if I could never be physically intimate with V again I would still stay with her and love her, because for us the sex is about the love, not the other way around.
 
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