Worship of Truth

[DiabloNightcraft]

I Worship Truth.

I worship reality. The best symbol of reality is the path of the Satanist. In order to be true to my beliefs I seek out the truth to know. In Satansim, the Self is God. Out of the self comes ones own experience of life. This expereince of life is sacred to me.

As a Satanist does not pollute this life with skewed preceptions of reality. To have a skewed prespective on reality is for myself as a Satanist, to worship a falsehood.

I seek to abolish foolish things and things that could the mind or will. The worship of truth is a compelling journey invigorates life and gives meaning.The preservation of lies is the abode of religious dogma. In dogma lies an absence of thought and failure to search for truth!

Earthy sucess and happiness are foiled by lies. The more you worship the truth, the more it is that truth itself makes you happy. The Rosary beads of a Satanist are the germs of truth that shine through the dark glass through which I try to understand the world. The only black light to illuminate my way is the path of enlighenment of the darkness

I always take truth seriously. To be convinced is to be weak. The strong is to take truth seriously. If you doubt everything one is told, then you are compelled to search for truth rather than condemned to accept misinformation and confusion. To avoid confusion, one must question eveything! I do!!

I require reason for things, I want deep understanding of how something can be true. Without this, I am reluctant. The more intellectually slack a person is, the easier it is to convince them of something.

As a Satanist! The Satanist represents Doubt!

God did not want Adam & Eve to eat of the Tree of Good and Evil thus doubting the word of God, it was Satan that told mankind to seek knowledge, even in taboo places.

Shaitan told the Djinn: Let us test God's word, let us not mindlessly believe all that God says. Although these myths are irrelevant to the modern world, the role of Satanist is very much relevant to the Satanic way of life and as a Satanist I search for knowledge. Satan is the ability to look past stated truth and dogma

(SEE MAIN RELIGION ABOUT OUT DATED DOGMA!)

Satan represents the search for enlightenment.

Main stream dogma, spiritual pipe dreams are the forms of hoary falsehood that feed on the masses shallow wants. Main stream dogma strifles thought. Vital existence is the reality of life. As Satan represents the truth and the search for truth, and as such Satan as it should do, represents the abolition of religious dogma.

How many hundreds and thousands of times in history has scientific truth been oppressed by the murderous rage of the Christian and main stream Churches? Their turth has ended: the only truth they seek is that which confirms what they already think. The search for truth is anti-establishment, irreligious and above all Satanic.

Satan is a symbol! It is a choice to stand against stupdity,the cause of all is bad in the world, the cause of counterproductive pride,evil and hate,stupidity is the true source of traditional in this world, beckoned into existence by lazy minds and anti intellectual muses, stupity is the power of the herd; it is a very unresonable failure.

I choose to be the thinker, the intellectual, the productive or successful, the strategist and the source of all that is good. This is respresented in myself as a Satanist.

Just some of my personal thoughts & feelings that might help those that choose to travel the darkness as myself.


Regards
DiabloNightcraft

 

[A Truth]

You see the problem you have is that you do not know the true meaning of truth (as with all Leveyans) I pity your quest as it is hopeless. But your hunger can be sated. The Astral contains the truth and is a very real and reachable realm. It will only take you a few minutes to discover what you have always searched for. Who really are you? Your not one of this blinded herd thats for sure.

I am not deluded. I see all too well the importance of rationality as do all Satanists. But surely you are not content with this. I personally want more, science fails to give the truth Lucifer does not.

 

[darkendless]

Our Truth expands over time. Truth is what we can see, can feel but most importantly what we can COMMUNICATE TO OTHERS. The truth is only the truth when others can critically analyse interpretations independently and come to the same conclusions.

Why i do not label myself as a satanist often is the misconception that there is some higher order of being we seek to achieve. I think its about as foolish as Abrahamic religions trying to prove divinity of Jesus.

As a satanist i try to better myself, to seek the obvious in a situation and the reality rather than fabricating the inconvenient truth. I do things my way, for me. I am not a pawn, not a statistic or a number.
In a quest for knowledge we must analyse, criticise and interpret independently or else fall into the same trap of coasting on the backs of others.

 

[Mr.Advocate]

Truth is an elusive beast. We can only experience the world through our senses, and unfortunately we can not (yet) prove to another that our sensations are the same. For example, what you taste as apple pie, might appear to me as the smell of a potato.

Even something as commonly accepted as gravity, is only theory, by which we can predict the relative motion of two or more objects. Certainly if some day some thing fell up-wards, those of us that value the search for truth would be on it like stink to a hippie. In the mean time it is most useful to examine what it is that we consider truth.

Not to pick on Darkendless, who has posted a fine perspective, but let's take an example from his post. We can see "red", but can we "communicate to others" what red is? What is the redness of red?

There is a dilemma in philosophy that is referred to as "qualia". It can be defined in a number of different ways, but the redness of red is a good enough example. I'll paraphrase the original analogy....

"Mary is a color scientist, who knows everything there is to know about color and how humans perceive color. Unfortunately Mary was born and raised in a black and white room, where her only contact with the outside world is through a black and white monitor. One day Mary leaves the room and is confronted with the color red, and from this she learns something new.... what it is like to see the color red."

The question then arises, can we truly know something that we have not experienced? and what gives rise to experience in the first place?

This has been coined the "hard problem of consciousness", for which there are numerous arguments both for and against. Either way it should provide an excellent starting point for anyone interested in truth and knowledge.

 

[3.14]

so basicly your an athiest but you try to find the truth though another religion?

 

[DiabloNightcraft]

You see the problem you have is that you do not know the true meaning of truth (as with all Leveyans) I pity your quest as it is hopeless. But your hunger can be sated. The Astral contains the truth and is a very real and reachable realm. It will only take you a few minutes to discover what you have always searched for. Who really are you? Your not one of this blinded herd thats for sure.

I am not deluded. I see all too well the importance of rationality as do all Satanists. But surely you are not content with this. I personally want more, science fails to give the truth Lucifer does not.

Greetings
What can I say Truth!!

Who really am I? Seems that you have made some conclusions already!!

I'm no more than others on this forum and to use the word herd? I would expect that word from the masses on the other side of the fence but no here Truth. I follow along the lines of LayVey Satanism,but I do class myself a full blowen Satanist. As to who I am Truth what would you have me say.

As to the Astral you mean the Ether? In that case we do not need to reach anything we already are part of the Ether, we are the Ether. Truth is found upon reason and experience there can only be reason to come to any truth.

Regards

DiabloNightcraft

 

[Delilah Roo]

This is certainly an interesting post. I think I agree whole Heartedly with about half of what you say, and am intreagued by the other half. I currently see myself as an athiest. Words like worship still bother me. I do not want to "worship" anything or see anything as sacred. But I am definitly in your line of thinking.

It is funny to me, what you picture, or what uneducated people picture as satanists is so different from what they are really like. Thanks -- Delilah

 

[DiabloNightcraft]

This is certainly an interesting post. I think I agree whole Heartedly with about half of what you say, and am intreagued by the other half. I currently see myself as an athiest. Words like worship still bother me. I do not want to "worship" anything or see anything as sacred. But I am definitly in your line of thinking.

It is funny to me, what you picture, or what uneducated people picture as satanists is so different from what they are really like. Thanks -- Delilah

Greetings
The worship idea is just a mataphor no moe once you think like that such words become easy to deal with. As to answer Truth in another way? When you declare your status in Truth!! Is simply declaring your nature. It is important to remember is what you are! What you need to align your mind with. From that alignment, that self declaration, everything happens as a rsult due to the nature of the world.

 

[rageoftyrael]

So, i'm curious, why do you guys label yourself as satanists? To label yourself, you are making an assumption, about who YOU are. Through this assumption, you have left the path of truth, for any assumption, with which you attempt to answer a question, is to walk away from the path that is to search for the truth. Essentially, from what i'm reading, you are saying that you must question everything, so please, question why you call yourself a satanist, and don't just call yourself an athiest, or say that you follow a type of philosophy?

To me, to call yourself satanist, is to attempt to shock, even if true satanism has nothing to do with what most people see it as. Not only that, but it seems as if you take the so called fact that there ever was a satan as an actual fact.

You often say symbol, but honestly, a symbol is merely a falsification as well. To put up anything as a symbol, is to lie and say that this thing is correct, when in fact nothing can be correct all the time. unless there is a god, and that god happens to be correct all the time, lol. Well, i'm done talking in circles, feel free to point out the flaws in my argument, i know they are there, cause i left them there.

 

[DiabloNightcraft]

Greetings rageoftyrael
I myself do not actually label myself Satanist only run along those lines from a dayside purpective in it's ideas. Truth has a variey of meanings and what in the end is truth? You truth, my truth? truth is subjective at best. From an agnostic point of view you are saying that it is impossible to know? One who is doubtful ? Then from a Satanist point of view one key word is indeed doubt?
Their is no assumptions at least on my account test eveything believe nothing,experience and reason there can be no more no less. Seems you are indeed talking in circle's as the term agnostic is an invention that in it'self is symbology.

DMC

 

[ViaSinistra]

See...there'in lays the problem. Some seem to be seeking "Truth" Via Religion. This can prove to be misleading in every aspect of your reality.

The problem is..is that most are simply mislead with cunning. The "un-attuned" mistake those whom are in a position of power or authority to be "telling the Truth." This can prove to be hazardess for the Initiate because it produces cognitive distortions and can adopt delusions of grandure of what reality is yours and what reality society has programed into you...objective or subjective. Once this happens, we must then begin the tedious process of "learning how to unlearn", which can only be done by learning how to learn.

There are always three "Truths" once/if this occures: His, yours and actuality.

When we strive to find an ultimate truth, we sometimes fall victim to Self deciet. If this unfortunate vice is unavoidable we then begin the mending process of counter production. Often our pride gets in between the truth simply because we don't want to be wrong.

Finding a Truth within is often a life long task... and we must learn not to become discouraged when it doesn't fall in your lap immediately. If we adopt tools to and harbor a keen sense of reality.

We can identify "Truth" by way of Self reason and emotional mastery. Our emotions can camoflage "falsehoods" as "Truth" (ever accuse your girlfriend of something rediculas just because your angry or jealous) and become misleading. So a mature practitioner of the Left Hand Path must learn not to follow his emotions..but rather train his emotions to follow him. Emotions can carpet the "Truth"... So before we can attempt to seek an "Ultimate Truth", we must learn tactics and refinement techniques to overcome symtoms that harbor the potential to mislead.

 

[blackout]

Via! :hug:

Hope all is well with you honey. :flirt:

I agree that truths reveal themselves over time,
and depending on how paradigm shifting they are...
cannot even be "named" or labeled till a season or two later.

That has been my experience anyway.

Best be ever vigilant but equally relaxed and patient.

What we need to know we will know,
if we persevere in a calm forward motion.

Many (most)? truths are only subjective anyway.

What counts most is our personal BEcoming.
How much we shine in what we do...
and how true we are to our own inner voice and in-spiration.

~V~

 

[rageoftyrael]

the symbology of agnosticism is only there for those who create it. I use the word agnostic simply for it's intended use, as in i call myself agnostic because i admit i don't know any answers. No symbol there.

I am athiest because i don't believe in god, not because i assert a belief or knowledge that there is no god, but simply because there is no true evidence of god, i see no reason to believe, but i am perfectly willing to allow for the possibility, why? Because i don't KNOW. That is the only significance of my agnostic state, that i believe, but am telling the world that i don't know.

I actually agree with a lot of what you say satanism is, to take everything with a grain of salt. But i will not tie myself to a certain belief system to do so. Which is why i'll never be anything but an agnostic athiest. To follow any belief system, for any reason, is to assume that said religion/belief system, is correct. I won't even assume i'm correct, let alone a religion/belief system.

Honestly, try not to misunderstand me, i was simply pointing out the foolishness in having a belief in a system that presumes things, especially when the religion/belief system itself says not to do so. So, by that very communication, to be a devout satanist, you have to cast off that title, and ignore such terms and symbols that satanism emplies.

If you aren't actually a satanist, but are in fact an athiest like myself, who was simply pointing out the things you have in common with satanism, cool. It just seemed that you had made the assumption that there even was a lucifer, which was at odds with your doubt everything statements. Of course, maybe i'm putting words in your mouth. It could very well been things said by other people in this thread and i didn't notice.

Makes sense to me.

 

[blackout]

Hey Rage,

Sometimes the asthetic or the philosophy of a thing,
or exercises, meditations, rituals or even non-rituals...
helps draw a person into their power.

It's not so much about the religion itself,
but how that religion empowers the practitioner...
especially as LHP religions are concerned.

If the "religion" becomes the "ends" rather than the "means"...
then the practitioner is serving construct instead of Self,
missing the whole point, which I think is what you were saying.

It's not even like there's a particular way you "have to do it",
and there is no threat of hell for getting it wrong.
If you get it wrong you cheat only yourSelf right here and now.

As Via said, it is so important to be a MATURE practitioner.

~Vi~

 

[rageoftyrael]

To be honest, i myself am obsessed with truth. Just not obsessed with the word truth, lol. Of course, as i said earlier, to me, this is all just a word game, or a mental excersize. There isn't any real way to figure out the truth, as far as i can tell. We aren't equipped for it. That is basically what i believe. Do i doubt my own belief? Of course, that is why i'm an agnostic athiest. So, sure, i will allow for the possibility that you can find truth, in anything. I just don't BELIEVE we can know the truth, of really anything significant, like our meaning, and etc... I could be wrong.

For me, the end is insignificant, cause i don't think i'll reach it. I'm just enjoying the journey.

Makes sense to me

 

[Isolation]

I haven't really understanded that who or what do you people think that God actually is?

 

[rageoftyrael]

well, i don't believe in god, so.... i'm not qualified to answer that, lol.

 

[Isolation]

God is the universe,we are god and god is us.
There is no Individual human like god or any other creature like god that is in the "heaven" judging people for their deeds and "fights" agains the evil,actually he does...but it is We as God who do all this.
So when 1 human judges other...it is God who is judging God.

 

[blackout]

God is the universe,we are god and god is us.
There is no Individual human like god or any other creature like god that is in the "heaven" judging people for their deeds and "fights" agains the evil,actually he does...but it is We as God who do all this.
So when 1 human judges other...it is God who is judging God.

Well there you go. You understand quite clearly "what" I think gOd is.
And described it quite well actually. :cover:

*UV wonders... is she a "you people"?*

 

[gnomon]

I Worship Truth.

I worship reality. The best symbol of reality is the path of the Satanist. In order to be true to my beliefs I seek out the truth to know. In Satansim, the Self is God. Out of the self comes ones own experience of life. This expereince of life is sacred to me.

As a Satanist does not pollute this life with skewed preceptions of reality. To have a skewed prespective on reality is for myself as a Satanist, to worship a falsehood.

I seek to abolish foolish things and things that could the mind or will. The worship of truth is a compelling journey invigorates life and gives meaning.The preservation of lies is the abode of religious dogma. In dogma lies an absence of thought and failure to search for truth!

Earthy sucess and happiness are foiled by lies. The more you worship the truth, the more it is that truth itself makes you happy. The Rosary beads of a Satanist are the germs of truth that shine through the dark glass through which I try to understand the world. The only black light to illuminate my way is the path of enlighenment of the darkness

I always take truth seriously. To be convinced is to be weak. The strong is to take truth seriously. If you doubt everything one is told, then you are compelled to search for truth rather than condemned to accept misinformation and confusion. To avoid confusion, one must question eveything! I do!!

I require reason for things, I want deep understanding of how something can be true. Without this, I am reluctant. The more intellectually slack a person is, the easier it is to convince them of something.

As a Satanist! The Satanist represents Doubt!

God did not want Adam & Eve to eat of the Tree of Good and Evil thus doubting the word of God, it was Satan that told mankind to seek knowledge, even in taboo places.

Shaitan told the Djinn: Let us test God's word, let us not mindlessly believe all that God says. Although these myths are irrelevant to the modern world, the role of Satanist is very much relevant to the Satanic way of life and as a Satanist I search for knowledge. Satan is the ability to look past stated truth and dogma

(SEE MAIN RELIGION ABOUT OUT DATED DOGMA!)

Satan represents the search for enlightenment.

Main stream dogma, spiritual pipe dreams are the forms of hoary falsehood that feed on the masses shallow wants. Main stream dogma strifles thought. Vital existence is the reality of life. As Satan represents the truth and the search for truth, and as such Satan as it should do, represents the abolition of religious dogma.

How many hundreds and thousands of times in history has scientific truth been oppressed by the murderous rage of the Christian and main stream Churches? Their turth has ended: the only truth they seek is that which confirms what they already think. The search for truth is anti-establishment, irreligious and above all Satanic.

Satan is a symbol! It is a choice to stand against stupdity,the cause of all is bad in the world, the cause of counterproductive pride,evil and hate,stupidity is the true source of traditional in this world, beckoned into existence by lazy minds and anti intellectual muses, stupity is the power of the herd; it is a very unresonable failure.

I choose to be the thinker, the intellectual, the productive or successful, the strategist and the source of all that is good. This is respresented in myself as a Satanist.

Just some of my personal thoughts & feelings that might help those that choose to travel the darkness as myself.


Regards
DiabloNightcraft

So how is claiming to be a follower of a misconception or loose interpretations from another religion a proper stepping stone to worshiping truth? And why Christian versions?

And if what you follow truly is not a religion.....what's the point?

Makes me wonder who is actually more self absorbed......the old ones or the new ones. Doesn't really matter in the end.

Pardon me for stepping into the DIR but since this isn't really a religious, in fact an anti-religion, I fail to see how it matters anyway.