The Religious: why do they lie?

[Bishadi]

Since the most religions on earth share a concept of 'thou shalt not lie'

why do the people lie more than most any group of people on earth?

eg..... some suggest creation was 6 thousand years ago, but fail to observe dinosaur bones as revelant.

Some say, jesus is messiah, but none of the items of peace, harmony, 'heaven on earth' has EVER occurred.


Why do the practitioners perpetuate the lies?

 

[Sententia]

Since the most religions on earth share a concept of 'thou shalt not lie'

why do the people lie more than most any group of people on earth?

eg..... some suggest creation was 6 thousand years ago, but fail to observe dinosaur bones as revelant.

Some say, jesus is messiah, but none of the items of peace, harmony, 'heaven on earth' has EVER occurred.


Why do the practitioners perpetuate the lies?

If they truly believe it to be true then it isn't a lie to them.

 

[Bishadi]

If they truly believe it to be true then it isn't a lie to them.

that is like saying, i believe it is good to burn down churches.

or that pedophilia is normal

headhunters believe it is the right by god

knowledge overrides beliefs; all cases

being honest to knowledge over the beliefs of self is how knowledge evolves

seems best to care more for the truth, then beliefs a yesterdays beliefs have for the most part been proven to be wrong

eg...... the earth is round, mankind evolved from nature, words are the creation of mankind and the only evil to exist was born from the 'selfishness' of the human species

them are all true but often religions will contest it with .......... :areyoucra

 

[michel]

As a very quick "snapshot" of the overview of Christianity as I believe it to be............

God made Earth habitable for man (that is a slight departure from God "created Earth" - but it is permissable to interpret the Bible in that way; Jayhawker Soule wrote a thread on it.

God rules the heavens, and he decided to give man a chance to rule and govern over Earth.

The trouble was that one of God's angels decided he'd quite like to be the boss (The Christians call him Satan), and Satan has been down here reaping havoc ever since.

We all have free will, and can either be tempted into following Satan (he's quite a trickster - he'll promise you anything to get you on his side), or we can choose to follow God's rules and try to be as good as we can be - Since I consider myself a heck of a sinner, and I am trying, it isn't easy; still it is up to each one of us to take whichever line we wish to.

To those who have chosen to follow Satan, the end is "non-existance" - for those who can resist his ways, there is eternal life in Paradise; Paradise is whgere the Garden of Eden was before that got wrecked before Adam let God down, and allowed Satan to tempt him.

Still, God could just have come down, and booted a few where the sun doesn't shine. But he sent his son, Jesus Christ, to come down and teach us about all this.

God actually sacrificed his son Jesus Christ as a sacrifice - or a payment for - the ability for man to still be allowed into Paradise if he truly believs in Jesus Christ as our saviour - by his sacrifice, and as long as we try to be good (we never will be, because we are all imperfect), and we love Jesus Christ, we should get there in the end.

I guess that's the system as briefly as I can put it, and hopefully correctly - Please Christians, forgive me if I have got it wrong, and put me right.

 

[Bishadi]

As a very quick "snapshot" of the overview of Christianity as I believe it to be............

God made Earth habitable for man (that is a slight departure from God "created Earth" - but it is permissable to interpret the Bible in that way; Jayhawker Soule wrote a thread on it.

then who made God? As that context is directly isolating God from being with us.

God rules the heavens, and he decided to give man a chance to rule and govern over Earth.

God doesn't decide in choice, mankind does.

The trouble was that one of God's angels decided he'd quite like to be the boss (The Christians call him Satan), and Satan has been down here reaping havoc ever since.

satan does not exist as a separate entity or angel, or thing as the concept is a creation by man with words

We all have free will, and can either be tempted into following Satan (he's quite a trickster - he'll promise you anything to get you on his side),

looks to me you hit is on the head; the beast of selfishness, SELLS the religions with the deception of promises, in magic, miracles and poppy cop of beliefs; but the real ones can over come these with honesty

or we can choose to follow God's rules

Gods rule are found in the garden (nature) not a book of theology

To those who have chosen to follow Satan, the end is "non-existance" - for those who can resist his ways, there is eternal life in Paradise; Paradise is whgere the Garden of Eden was before that got wrecked before Adam let God down, and allowed Satan to tempt him.

God was never let down; never can or could be.

people let people down

Still, God could just have come down, and booted a few where the sun doesn't shine. But he sent his son, Jesus Christ, to come down and teach us about all this.

but jesus did not bring humanity Peace (so he wasn't the last word)

God actually sacrificed his son Jesus Christ as a sacrifice - or a payment for - the ability for man to still be allowed into Paradise if he truly believs in Jesus Christ as our saviour - by his sacrifice, and as long as we try to be good (we never will be, because we are all imperfect), and we love Jesus Christ, we should get there in the end.

I guess that's the system as briefly as I can put it, and hopefully correctly - Please Christians, forgive me if I have got it wrong, and put me right.

No, as you fit in the thread perfectly as an example of what the religious do.

 

[MoonWater]

First off Christianity does not equal religion. Thus it is disingenious to start a thread claiming religious people as liars and then use only one religion and one interpretation of that religion to back up your statement when there are thousands to millions of other religions out there nothing like that.

Second your claim is fallacious as those who purport such things honestly and truly believe that they are true and as such, even if what they say is false it isn't a lie, at least not an intentional one and they aren't liars because from their perspective they're telling the truth.

 

[EiNsTeiN]

What is a lie to you is a truth for others. You can't judge it that way.

 

[michel]

There is an answer to everyone of your remarks, but,Bishadi much as I would love to have the time to go through this with you, but I have a feeling we would still be here in a week's time. If we could actually meet and talk, it would take far less time - and there is absolutely no guarantee that you would come around to my way of thinking - that is your perogative.

As such, my good son James is waiting to take his old Father down to a watering hole (a bar) where we will consume a drink of bier or two, play cards and have fun.

I wish you an enjoyable day - whatever time it is in your zone. I bow out, for the moment. Go in peace and be happy.

 

[.lava]

Since the most religions on earth share a concept of 'thou shalt not lie'

people tend to tell lies therefor there is a command such as "thou shall not lie"

why do the people lie more than most any group of people on earth?

because those who think they shall tell lies are living in a world of lies. they lie to themselves and you believe them cos they live in the lie they believe.

eg..... some suggest creation was 6 thousand years ago, but fail to observe dinosaur bones as revelant.

i do not need any bones to know that. world has been here for ages. every single moment in space there is one apocalypse, in another part of space there is a new world with another Adam (PBUH)...etc everyting happens at the same time in different places. yes, maybe you've seen the end of world through your telescope but it was not ours.

Some say, jesus is messiah, but none of the items of peace, harmony, 'heaven on earth' has EVER occurred.

EVER ocurred in your world.

Why do the practitioners perpetuate the lies?

funny.


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[Bishadi]

What is a lie to you is a truth for others. You can't judge it that way.

wrong!

no one has a right to convey a lie to another, knowingly or not!

it is against EVERY religion, but the practitioners can't read

being humble is best felt when realizing ignorance

 

[EiNsTeiN]

No one is conveying anything to you. It's your call to accept or reject the "lie".

 

[Bishadi]

First off Christianity does not equal religion.

it IS a religion

the thread blankets them all

Thus it is disingenious to start a thread claiming religious people as liars and then use only one religion and one interpretation of that religion to back up your statement when there are thousands to millions of other religions out there nothing like that.

i agree, the hindu, buddha style evolve continuously

where-as many of the western sect burn books, libraries and hold inquisitions i which guys like galileo and darwin are not vindicated until the people themselves education the churchs.

the people know far more than the religions material could ever convey

Second your claim is fallacious as those who purport such things honestly and truly believe that they are true and as such, even if what they say is false it isn't a lie, at least not an intentional one and they aren't liars because from their perspective they're telling the truth.

that is what responsibility is all about; either you are lying or you are dying

there is no 2 ways; eg..... there were no weapons of mass destruction in iraq; so forever Bush will be considered a liar; not much to debate

there will be no rapture, there will be no magic to save mankind from the created entity called satan and when the people find this all out; the religious will be persecuted for corrupting the knowledge of mankind.

you just don't see the big picture as you are bound in beliefs because of what you were taught

just because you believe the sky is pink, does not mean you have a right to impose your beliefs when you cannot substantiate the truth behind them.

as you kill others based on your selfish choice

 

[blackout]

ummmm..... even in christianity there is no "thou shalt not lie" commandment. lolol

( "bearing false witness" is SLANDER, regarding what you know/do not know of another)

 

[.lava]

being humble is best felt when realizing ignorance

i am in love with this saying. that's essence! and guess what? more you learn, more you realize how ignorant you are. even if you learn more and more, you realize what you've known so far is always but ALWAYS so little and it will always be. so who cares if people tell lie to you? if you're honest with your ownself and with others then knowledge you get would be as honest as YOU ARE!

there is no loss for you so do not be mad at liars but feel sorry for them. because they would be blinding themselves to the truth. more they hide te truth from others, as God knows all, the truth he does not know would be hidden to him. what's there to be upset about? that is just sad.

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[Bishadi]

people tend to tell lies therefor there is a command such as "thou shall not lie"

and for each to be responsible for their actions, eventually lies would fade to extinction (just like the beliefs will)

because those who think they shall tell lies are living in a world of lies. they lie to themselves and you believe them cos they live in the lie they believe.

hence religions were born

i do not need any bones to know that. world has been here for ages. every single moment in space there is one apocalypse, in another part of space there is a new world with another Adam (PBUH)...etc everyting happens at the same time in different places. yes, maybe you've seen the end of world through your telescope but it was not ours.

that whole part is funny

utter places in space..... ???? (don't float away on us)

EVER ocurred in your world.

i guess Gaza is your home of peace?

even quran says the religions will fall; as homage (dirt kissing) and jinn (lies) will be gone

when there is no more pursuit of religious beliefs as laws, then the second creation (end of days) has performed


seems to me ALL beliefs share that EXACT frame; 'the truth will set you free'

as the religions are too bound up in errors to self-reflect how they continue to kill others by what they purport in beliefs

 

[Bishadi]

ummmm..... even in christianity there is no "thou shalt not lie" commandment. lolol

perhaps in verbatim

but as oooosual you write something and do the opposite

( "bearing false witness" is SLANDER, regarding what you know/do not know of another)

that is good and why when you see me bark, i am fighting against the liars

for example; you posted

ummmm..... even in christianity there is no "thou shalt not lie" commandment. lolol

which is slanderous BS

Mark 10 18And Jesus said to him, `Why me dost thou call good? no one [is] good except One -- God;

19 the commands thou hast known: Thou mayest not commit adultery, Thou mayest do no murder, Thou mayest not steal, Thou mayest not bear false witness, Thou mayest not defraud, Honour thy father and mother.'


so you claim...............that in verbatim perhaps the command does not exist, but your witnessing of the concept of NO LYING as not being Biblical is rude, corrupt and about as downright slanderous and sickening to observe as coming from a human being by choice, as not a one is willing to stand up to a beast of deciet because you of uV

 

[Bishadi]

i am in love with this saying. that's essence! and guess what? more you learn, more you realize how ignorant you are.

why do you think i even show up?

even if you learn more and more, you realize what you've known so far is always but ALWAYS so little and it will always be. so who cares if people tell lie to you?

that is just stupid

if you're honest with your ownself and with others then knowledge you get would be as honest as YOU ARE!

wow

seems you on the wild side of weird

you telling me, that based on how i act, i will not be lied to but you are in the loop now spinning a web?

you got better smoke then i do

there is no loss for you so do not be mad at liars but feel sorry for them.

the feeling is the sorry i observe from others build up corruption

such that in the old days, the religions ran the show in the west, but the few, the honest, the contributer, guy like jesus, stepped up and told the community where to go.

the good will ALWAYS put the corrupt in check, not for themselves but for the furture, the children; to stop the BS from continuing

knowledge evolves, and that fact is how lies are put to rest

if all fools just followed what they are told, we would not have the internet

so be glad, newton, darwin or even martin luther stood up against the establishment of BS (the liars of beliefs)

 

[blackout]

pardon.... there is no ALL ENCOMPASSING "thou shalt not lie" commandment.

Just a VERY CASE SPECIFIC one.

slander may or may not equal lie.
(one can ALSO slander using the weapon of a 'truth')

lie only "equates" to slander in a very specific subset,
where it is applicable.
(just as "truth" does not necessarily equal slander)
(a "maliciously spilled" secret of a previously shared truth, could also constitute slander)

 

[gnomon]

why do the people lie more than most any group of people on earth?

Do they?

 

[MoonWater]

it IS a religion

I didn't say it wasn't I was pointing out that you can't throw all religions under one umbrella. Perhaps a better way to put it would be "christianity does not equal ALL religions" You can't take a belief that is within christianity and say that all religions believe it as that is patently false.

the thread blankets them all

and as such it is a gross over-generalization. You can't make a statement about religions as a whole by only using one individual religion as an example. That would be like trying to make a statement about humans in general and only using one human from which to draw your conclusions.

i agree, the hindu, buddha style evolve continuously

where-as many of the western sect burn books, libraries and hold inquisitions i which guys like galileo and darwin are not vindicated until the people themselves education the churchs.

the people know far more than the religions material could ever convey

yes many bad things have been done in the name of religion, but so have many good things. It's not the religion it's the people. I find that religion is more about wisdom and personal enlightenment than knowledge. If you go to religion looking for straight facts then you'll be hard pressed to find them. But go there looking for wisdom and guidance and you'll find a wealth of it at your fingertips.

that is what responsibility is all about; either you are lying or you are dying

there is no 2 ways; eg..... there were no weapons of mass destruction in iraq; so forever Bush will be considered a liar; not much to debate

Actually there is plenty to debate. After all can someone truly be called a liar if they said what they honestly believed to be true(I'm not saying Bush honestly believed there were WMDs in Iraq but he may very well have)

there will be no rapture, there will be no magic to save mankind from the created entity called satan and when the people find this all out; the religious will be persecuted for corrupting the knowledge of mankind.

Again Christianity does not equal all religion and not even all christians believe the above and even many of those who do don't believe it as literallistically as you may think.

you just don't see the big picture

so says the person who lumps all religions under one little umberalla

as you are bound in beliefs because of what you were taught

just because you believe the sky is pink, does not mean you have a right to impose your beliefs when you cannot substantiate the truth behind them.

as you kill others based on your selfish choice

:areyoucra, are you assuming that I'm Christian because I am not, nor have I made any claims nor am I trying to impose my beliefs on anyone. I am not "bound" by what I currently know and believe as my wealth of knowledge is always growing and my beliefs always evolving. I find it interesting how you make so many grandiose assumptions and generalizations about me based on one measly post. How am I selfish and why do you accuse me of "killing others"?