Quran is free of errors

[Zhakir]

The word of God can't have any errors,let's check Al-Quran.

 

[Ringer]

That's true. Now, if we can only find such a document. Does the Quran claim to be perfect?

 

[Phasmid]

Even IF it had no errors, that does not make it the word of god.

 

[Zhakir]

Haaaaaaaaaaa!!!!! :d:d:d

Why the truth is funny to you.
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That's true. Now, if we can only find such a document. Does the Quran claim to be perfect?

Yes
4:82
Do they not consider the Qur'an with care? Had it been from other Than Allah, they would surely have found there in Much discrepancy.
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[Kilgore Trout]

This post has no errors. It was written by me, god.

 

[Zhakir]

All of the so called Quran errors are either complete lies or mistranslations.
Many got their wrong idea from this site
Science in the Quran






And if you open the Quran you'll find that these people were just lying,

1. And He taught Adam all the names."
   Allah taught Adam all the names of the plants and animals, which must have taken a while since there are 1.7 million species that are known today, with probably another 10 million or so that are yet to be discovered. And this only includes those that are alive today. If extinct species are included (~99%), then Allah must have taught Adam a billion or so names. 2:31

So what?

Humans created from a single man. 4: 1

It's one of theories we have now,Quran does not contradict with facts,but no wonder with theories.

The Quran repeats the silly story about Cain and Abel (though they are unnamed in the Quran). 5:27-31

So what?

Homosexual acts are condemned as unnatural. (Will ye commit abomination such as no creature ever did before you?) But, in fact, such acts are common in many other species. 7:80-81

Are we going to live like animals?I'm sure no,not if someone (male or female)wants to have sex with his mother or brother or father or daughter or sister.I don't say that no one does,but I think humans should not "follow animals" .
And the author is lying the Quran says ,"no human being before you" not creature.

Crucifixion is a Roman punishment, unknown in Egypt at the time this story supposedly occurred. 7:124

Prove it.

When Allah revealed himself to Moses, the mountain (Mt. Sinai?) came crashing down. 7:143

The mountain name wasn't mentioned.

Humans created from a single man. 7:189

See above

Joseph saw in a dream eleven planets. Does this mean that according to the Quran there are eleven planets in our solar system? 12:4

Quran never said it was the solar system.the 11 planets represent his brothers.

"The sun ... runneth unto an appointed term."
The sun (according to the Quran) orbits the earth. 13:2

Never said that,Couldn't give the complete verse?
13:2
Allah is He Who raised the heavens without any pillars that ye can see; is firmly established on the throne (of authority); He hassubjected the sun and the moon (to his Law)! Each one runs (its course) fora term appointed. He doth regulate all affairs, explaining the signs indetail, that ye may believe with certainty in the meeting with your Lord.

see even earth isn't mentioned

"He ... spread out the earth."
Sounds like a flat earth to me. 13:3

It doesn't.Never mentioned it's flat

"And the earth have We spread out."</I>
The earth is flat according to the Quran. 15:19

see above

"And thy Lord inspired the bee, saying ... eat of all fruits."
Allah told bees to eat from all fruits, but decided to eat nectar and pollen instead. 16:68-68

16:68
Then to eat of all the produce (of the earth), and find with skill the spacious paths of its Lord: there issues from within their bodiesa drink of varying colours, wherein is healing for men: verily in this is aSign for those who give thought
It's a mistranslation it's &#1579;&#1605;&#1585;&#1575;&#1578; not &#1601;&#1608;&#1575;&#1603;&#1607; (=fruits)

 

[Zhakir]

The sun rises and sets at particular places on a flat earth. At the westernmost point on earth, the sun sets in a muddy spring. 18:86, 90

The sun rises and sets at particular places on a flat earth. At the westernmost point on earth, the sun sets in a muddy spring. 18:86, 90

v.86
Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it set in a spring of murky water: Near it he found a People: We said: "OZul-qarnain! (thou hast authority,) either to punish them, or to treat them with kindness."
v.90
Until, when he came to the rising of the sun, he found it rising on a people for whom We had provided no covering protection againstthe sun.

sun doesn't actually set or rise.in the verses refer to time

Most scholars consider Dhu'l-Qarneyn ("The Two-Horned Lord") to be Alexander the Great, who is here presented as a devout Muslim. 18:83-98

Not Quran considering this.we are discussing Quran

The Pharaoh threatens to crucify Hebrews on palm tress. (But crucifixion was a Roman form of punishment that was unknown at the time.) 20:71

See above

The sun "floats" in an orbit around the earth. 21:33

21:33
It is He Who created the Night and the Day, and the sun and the moon: all move along, each in its own orbit.

Is it clear that he is lying?

Allah created all animals. Some with no legs, some with two, and some with four. (Most animals have six legs. Did Allah forget about the insects?) 24:45

Why did you forget the rest of the verse, underlined green words="forgotten words"
24:45
And Allah has created every animal from water: of them there are some that creep on their bellies; some that walk on two legs; and some thatwalk on four. Allah creates what He wills for verily Allah has power over allthings.

*Some not all
*Allah creats what he wills

The earth is fixed and does not move. 27:61

27:61
Or, Who has made the earth firm to live in; made rivers in its midst; set thereon mountains immovable; and made a separating bar betweenthe two bodies of flowing water? (can there be another) god besides Allah?Nay, most of them know not.
To bad we can't show these lies in the web site.

 

[Zhakir]

"He hath subdued the sun and moon to service. Each runneth unto an appointed term."
The sun orbits the earth. 35:13

35:13
He merges Night into Day, and he merges Day into Night, and he has subjected the sun and the moon (to his Law): each one runs its coursefor a term appointed. Such is Allah your Lord: to Him belongs all Dominion.And those whom ye invoke besides Him have not the least power.
No where does the Quran say sun orbits the earth.(rounds around it)

"The sun runneth on unto a resting-place for him." 36:38

36:38
And the sun runs his course for a period determined for him: that is the decree of Him, the Exalted in Might, the All-Knowing.
Now we know sun runs around the center of the galaxy,and it will die just like all stars in the universe

It is not for the sun to overtake the moon, nor doth the night outstrip the day. They float each in an orbit."
The sun and the moon orbit the earth. (Well at least Allah and Mo are half right here!) 36:40

36:40
It is not permitted to the Sun to catch up the Moon, nor can the Night out strip the Day: Each move along in its own orbit.

Jonah was swallowed by a fish. 37:142

A whale,so?

"We decked the nether heaven with lamps."
Allah put "lamps" in the lower heaven to serve as lights. These are the stars that we see in the sky at night. 41:12

41:12
So He completed them as seven firmaments in two Days, and He assigned to each heaven its duty and command. And We adorned the lowerheaven with lights, and provided it with guard. Such is the Decree of Him the Exalted in Might, Full of Knowledge.

 

[Zhakir]

"And the earth have We spread out."
The earth is flat according to the Quran. 50:7

That's What you want others to think,Quran never said the earth is flat

"And the earth have We laid out, how gracious is the Spreader (thereof)!"
The earth is flat according to the Quran. 51:48

Never said it's flat

"The moon was rent in twain."
Muhammaed split the moon into two pieces. Beat that one, Jesus! 54:1-2

54:1
The Hour (of Judgment) is nigh, and the moon is cleft asunder.
Never said Muhammad.Some think happened at the time of Muhammad(pbuh),and others think it will happen when the Hour is nigh,
This can't be proved wrong.

"Who hath created seven heavens ... Canst thou see any rifts?"
Allah asks Muhammed to examine the sky to see if it has any cracks. 67:3

And?....

Allah made the stars as missiles to throw at devils. 67:5

67:5
And certainly We have adorned this lower heaven withlamps and We have made these missiles for the Shaitans, and We have prepared for them the chastisement of burning.
Maybe you will believe in it after you believe in Shaitans

At the end of the world the earth with the mountains will be lifted up and crushed with one crash. 69:14

69:14
And the earth with the mountains shall be lifted up and crushed with one crash
Maybe you will believe in it after you believe in the day of judgement
Yet many things mentioned in the Quran regarding the End of the world should be believed Now
Quran Miracles | THOSE WHO DISBELIEVE IN THE END OF THE UNIVERSE
Quran Miracles | DEATH OF THE STARS AND THE SUN
Quran Miracles | FROM BIG BANG TO BIG CRUNCH

 

[Zhakir]

"And hath made the moon a light"</I>
This verse implies that the moon produces its own light, rather than reflecting light from the sun. 71:16 71:16

And hath made the moon a light therein, and made the sun a lamp?
The arabic word &#1606;&#1608;&#1585; means reflected light

"Have We not made the earth an expanse, And the high hills bulwarks?"</I>
The earth is flat according to the Quran. 78:6-7

Never said it's flat

"He spread the earth."
The earth is flat according to the Quran. 79:30

Again,Quran never says it's flat,"spread" word can be used in all shapes

Someday the stars will fall. 81:2

81:2
And when the stars darken,
Quran Miracles | DEATH OF THE STARS AND THE SUN

Humans are formed from "a gushing fluid" that issues "from between the loins and the ribs." 86:5-7

89:6-7
He is created from a drop emitted-
Proceeding from between the backbone and the ribs.

Know the breast role in sex

"And the earth, how it is spread ?"


The earth is flat according to the Quran. 88:20 "The earth and Him Who spread it.">

The earth is flat according to the Quran. 91:6

see above

Allah dealt with the owners of the elephant by sending swarms of "flying creatures". 105:1-3

105:2-3
And He sent against them Flights of Birds. Striking them with stones of baked clay.
How to prove this wrong?

 

[Daemon Sophic]

Quran 96: 2 "Created man, out of a mere clot of congealed blood" - :no: And I would mention that this also contradicts Eselam's parallel thread. :sorry1:


Quran 36: 40 "It is not for Sun to overtake the moon, nor doth the night outstrip the day. They float each in an orbit." Neither the sun or moon, nor day and night "orbit". Rather, we (Earth) revolve. :sorry1:

The next two are contradictory within the Quran: :sorry1:
Quran 22: 47 A day in the sight of the Lord is like a thousand years of your reckoning. Quran-32:5: To Him, on a Day, the space whereof will be a thousands years of your rekoning
Quran 70: 4 The angels and the spirit ascend unto him in a day the measure whereof is Fifty thousands years.
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I would also refer you to this website ---> http://www.faithfreedom.org/debates/NaikCampbellp9.htm

I find the comparison list (halfway to two-thirds the way down the page) between statements of Meccan vs Medinan. :cover:


P.S. - DISCLAIMER --- this latter website seems to promote the Bible over the Quran. I disagree with the validity of BOTH texts as anything more than human writings.

 

[Zhakir]

"Created man, out of a mere clot of congealed blood" - :no: And I would mention that this also contradicts Eselam's parallel thread. :sorry1:

You surely got wrong,any way we are discussing Al-Quran.

It is not for Sun to overtake the moon, nor doth the night outstrip the day. They float each in an orbit." Neither the sun or moon, nor day and night "orbit". Rather, we (Earth) revolve.

Sun rounds around the center of the galaxy,and Moon around the earth. are you denying this?!
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About the so called contradiction
The Arabic word &#1610;&#1608;&#1605; "Yoom " translated "day" means
*A long period of time "doesn't have one value"
*day time( sun shine time ) (the first 12 hours)
*In modren arabic it's oftenly means 24 hours (but not orginially=standerd arabic)

 

[Don Penguinoini]

The Koran is not perfect. What a silly conclusion...

The Vedas is free of errors.

 

[Zhakir]

Don p
I don't really want to change the topic or harm your feelings ,but you are wrong
I'll only give you one example
Rig Ved: 10: 121: 1
&#8220;In the beginning rose Hiranyagarbha, born only Lord of all created beings. He fixed and holds up the earth and the heaven.&#8221;

Earth does move,and the universe is expandig
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Now lets get back to our topic

 

[Don Penguinoini]

Don p
I don't really want to change the topic or harm your feelings ,but you are wrong
I'll only give you one example
Rig Ved: 10: 121: 1
&#8220;In the beginning rose Hiranyagarbha, born only Lord of all created beings. He fixed and holds up the earth and the heaven.&#8221;

Earth does move,and the universe is expandig
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Now lets get back to our topic

Nu-uh! That is totally wrong!

Rig Ved: 10: 121: 1
&#8220;In the beginning rose Hiranyagarbha, born only Lord of all created beings. He fixed and holds up the earth and the heaven. Oh yeah and guys, that last bit wasn't entirely true"

Don't forget that when the Muslims invaded, they polluted the Vedas a lot of with propaganda to convert people...

 

[Zhakir]

If you read my posts you wouldn't put this picture.
27:61
Or, Who has made the earth firm to live in; made rivers in its midst; set thereon mountains immovable; and made a separating bar betweenthe two bodies of flowing water? (can there be another) god besides Allah?Nay, most of them know not.
And
13:2
Allah is He Who raised the heavens without any pillars that ye can see; is firmly established on the throne (of authority); He hassubjected the sun and the moon (to his Law)! Each one runs (its course) fora term appointed. He doth regulate all affairs, explaining the signs indetail, that ye may believe with certainty in the meeting with your Lord.
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Wondering why i underlined these words in 13:2?
Because..........

“The sky is supported by pillars.” Yajur Ved: 4: 30
“The Bull has supported the sky.” Yajur Ved: 14:5

PLEASE
GET A LIFE!

 

[Don Penguinoini]

I am not afraid to say that the Vedas has got mistakes with Science in it. They did not have the technology to understand.

Me? Get a life? Who joined these forums to spread the word of the "noble" Koran? Also, don't forget, that Sanskrit is MUCH more complicated than Arabic, for example there are 100 words for water. It is impossible to have an accurate translation.

 

[themadhair]

The word of God can't have any errors,let's check Al-Quran.

Let’s see:

51:48 And the earth have We laid out, how gracious is the Spreader (thereof)!
51:49 And all things We have created by pairs, that haply ye may reflect.
51:50 Therefore flee unto Allah; lo! I am a plain warner unto you from him.

So in three sentences we have a claim that the earth is flat, the claim that all things come in pairs (false due to asexual reproduction) and a sentence that could not have been spoken by Allah.
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[Don Penguinoini]

Quran- 3:85"Whoso desires another religion than Islam, it shall not be accepted of him; in the next world he shall be among the losers."

Quran gives us more scientific knowledge by telling us that the stars were created by Allah as missiles to throw at the devils:
Quran-67:5: And We have (from of old) adorned the lowest heaven (sky) with lamps, and We have made such (Lamps as) missiles to drive away Satans (Evils)&#8230;
Quran-37:6-8: We have indeed decorated the lower heaven (sky) with (in) the stars, (for beauty) and for guard against all obstinate rebellious Satans. So they should not strain their ears in the direction of the Exalted Assembly but be cast away from every side.
Thus, the stars are nothing but missiles to throw at devils so that they may not eavesdrop on the heavenly council. Heavenly council? Here Quran is actually talking/describing about falling (shooting) stars (Ulka, Dhumkathoo). Superstitious minds of Quran believed that the sky is the roof (seven firmaments) over the earth where kingdom of Allah situated and there in Allah&#8217;s kingdom daily assembly (Allah and His Angels) sits to discuss how to run Allah&#8217;s business on earth. So, Allah does not want Satan to listen Allah&#8217;s secret conversation with His Angels

 

[Zhakir]

am not afraid to say that the Vedas has got mistakes with Science in it. They did not have the technology to understand.

Good, so you no more believe in what you just said

The Vedas is free of errors.

Good.