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This forum is brand newsusemuse said:I'm surprised no one has posted anything in Messianic Judaism
As the Moshiach?susemuse said:I'm surprised no one has posted anything in Messianic Judaism
Is Jesus for the Jews?
Now I'm confused. I thought Messianic Jews recognized Jesus as the Messiah?jewscout said:As the Moshiach?
No...
if you want to qualify Messianic Judaism as an actual form of judaism...most Messianic Jews i've met are actually Christians who like to dress and talk like jewsjt1970 said:Yeah Melody, me too, I thought they believe in Jesus, maybe its just jewscout opinion.
they do...but then messianic jews might as well just call themselves christian in my opinionMelody said:Now I'm confused. I thought Messianic Jews recognized Jesus as the Messiah?
I'd like to know where this idea came from:sarcasticEnchantedSpirit said:The old testament religions taught of a 'male' god. A patriarchal overseer who would throw you in hell for not following the rules set forth by the church.
this can also be found in the TorahHe taught the 'female' aspects of the 'almighty'
And thats why Paul threw out the Laws of the Torah...because he was "shrouded by the old ways"The rest of the apostles were heavily shrouded by the old ways, and could not really understand what Jesus was teaching.
which the anti-semitic side?:sarcasticBut Jesus was her to teach the Jews the other side of God. The side that the Jews still ignore today.
Yeah, I have seen these crazies. I did not know that some people associate Messianic Jews only with Christians who dress like Jews. There was an ethnic Jewish family on my street where I grew up who were all Christians, they called themselves Messianic Jews. My teacher, Dr. Earle Ellis met a person whom he thought was a rabbi in Jerusalem who confessed belief in Jesus Christ but did not call himself a Christian, but a Messianic Jew. There is a church in my town that is full of Jews who believe in Jesus Christ and call themselves Messianic Jews, observing all of the Jewish festivals and praciticing the deitary laws.jewscout said:if you want to qualify Messianic Judaism as an actual form of judaism...most Messianic Jews i've met are actually Christians who like to dress and talk like jews
trust me it's not just MY opinion:sarcastic
All my 'ideas' come from observation. From history lessons, I have learned that the Jewish people of the past treated their women as property. Even today, women are considered inferior to men for top positions. Usually the main reason for this is because we are "too emotional", while on the other hand, men are logical.jewscout said:I'd like to know where this idea came from:sarcastic
this can also be found in the Torah
And thats why Paul threw out the Laws of the Torah...because he was "shrouded by the old ways"
which the anti-semitic side?:sarcastic
then perhaps you should expand into other sources...EnhancedSpirit said:All my 'ideas' come from observation. From history lessons, I have learned that the Jewish people of the past treated their women as property. Even today, women are considered inferior to men for top positions. Usually the main reason for this is because we are "too emotional", while on the other hand, men are logical.
http://www.aish.com/societywork/women/Chauvinistic_Judaism$.aspIt's time to lay to rest the canard that Judaism views women as inferior to men. No one who reads the Bible seriously can conclude that Judaism considers women inferior to men.
Some examples:
1) Abraham had two children Isaac and Ishmael. As the boys matured, Sarah recognized that for Isaac to grow up properly, Ishmael would have to leave. "Throw Ishmael out of the house," she told Abraham. He didn't want to listen. Then G-d told Abraham: "Listen to the voice of your wife, Sarah, for she is a greater prophet than you."
2) Isaac and Rebecca had two children, Jacob and Esau. Isaac wanted to give the privileges of the firstborn to Esau. Rebecca recognized what Isaac didn't -- that Esau was depraved and power-mad. She ensured that the birthright went to Jacob. It was an act which saved the Jewish people.
3) In Egypt, the men were driven to despair by the bitterness of slavery and oppression. When the Egyptians started killing Jewish children, the men decided to separate from their wives -- rather than procreate just to watch their children die. "If we do that we're worse than Pharaoh," said the women. "Though they may kill us, we can never give up hope ourselves." The women encouraged their husbands to raise families, thereby perpetuating the Jewish people. Specifically, Miriam's heroism corrected the wrongful advice of her father Amram --head of the Sanhedrin -- and the result produced baby Moses.
4) When the Jews worshipped the Golden Calf in the desert, the women refused to participate.
5) When the 12 spies brought back word that the Land of Israel was populated by giants, the men cried and wanted to return to Egypt. The women did not. As a result, the men were punished with death in the desert; the women merited to enter the Land of Israel.
You simply cannot read this litany, and dozens of other examples year after year, and conclude that the Torah considers women inferior to men. On the contrary, women are consistently portrayed as more reliable than men in their judgment and devotion to G-d. As the Talmud says, women were created with binah yiteira -- an extra measure of intuitive understanding.
EnhancedSpirit said:If the bible was not filled with a patriarchal undertone, God would not be referred to as 'he'.
http://www.aish.com/family/mensch/Is_God_a_Man_or_a_Woman$.aspThere are masculine names of G-d and feminine ones. For example, the name Elokim usually associated with G-d's attribute of justice is masculine, while Shechinah, a name that evokes G-d's presence in a close and intimate way, is feminine...
In the Midrash, G-d is sometimes referred to as groom with the Jewish people as his bride and at other times (e.g., Friday night Sabbath prayer service) G-d is presented as bride.
Thank you so much for that, that is BEAUTIFUL. However, it seems that men ignored those verses for 1000's of years. Marriages were arranged where daughters were bought from their families. And when traveling, the women had to travel seperate from the men. And even here in the US there used to be a law that said that it was OK for men to beat their wives to keep them in line.You simply cannot read this litany, and dozens of other examples year after year, and conclude that the Torah considers women inferior to men. On the contrary, women are consistently portrayed as more reliable than men in their judgment and devotion to G-d. As the Talmud says, women were created with binah yiteira -- an extra measure of intuitive understanding.
sexism is not an exclusively Jewish tradition it existed long before the jewish faith and was around afterwards...EnhancedSpirit said:Thank you so much for that, that is BEAUTIFUL. However, it seems that men ignored those verses for 1000's of years. Marriages were arranged where daughters were bought from their families. And when traveling, the women had to travel seperate from the men. And even here in the US there used to be a law that said that it was OK for men to beat their wives to keep them in line.
oops missed this one too...jt1970 said:Diffrent question, If you don't know that Jesus died for the sins of the world, will you be saved? Religion is about salvation right? How in the world are we saved?
unless your of certain sects of christianity...nopeReligion is about salvation right?