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Universal health care would be a good thing
- Thread starter Autodidact
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Not norway?
DallasApple
Depends Upon My Mood..
Both ways?
My husband would not have any work it he had to walk "both ways"..
HEY ...maybe thats the ticket..dotn work...and get on SS..make up some fake disease and lie really good..and get decent healthcare ..
Sounds more honorable than working your butt off and paying out the rear for health insurance and then being told if you cant afford it you are "irresponsible"..
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Dallas
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They weren't in the film (and they don't have the Rivera).
Honey, lighten up.
Autodidact
Intentionally Blank
1. Why would size make a significant difference?
2. If you add all the European countries together it's comparable to the U.S.
3. Japan.
4. What makes you think it hasn't been well proven? Every modern country in the world except us has it.
Autodidact
Intentionally Blank
My point is that your context was in appropriate. You don't compare Canada to U.S. with coverage, you compare Canada to the U.S., covered and uncovered.
Really, where? I missed that? What data did you use?
I missed that too. It could be whatever existing system is working somewhere else.
Right. So all the uncovered people in the U.S., who have to be factored into any comparison, are worse off than anyone in any country with universal coverage.
Like Brazil? Or Argentina?
Institute eugenics now?
Autodidact
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Autodidact
Intentionally Blank
Rick:
Would you be so kind as to respond to my post #78 on p. 8?
I will be AFK till Friday, friends, and hope to return with some actual data then.
Would you be so kind as to respond to my post #78 on p. 8?
I will be AFK till Friday, friends, and hope to return with some actual data then.
McBell
Resident Sourpuss
know what?Nope, we should start an euthanasia program for the uninsurable. The nerve of some people wanting to be insured with pre-existing conditions!
up yours.
I have three pre-existing conditions.
I understand that this is just a joke for you.
But for many people cannot afford the outrageous amount the insurance companies want.
i am one of them.
I noticed you ignored my posts.
Yet you continue to imply that those in my position just have to knuckle down and make sacrifices in order to get medical coverage.
Sorry, but a place to stay and the bills being paid have to come first.
i have a wife and two children to think about.
But according to you and your little fantasy world view, I am 'irresponsible.'
Fact is, you don't know sh*t about my situation.
I am done with this thread before I get banned for really speaking my mind on the BS nonsense being dished out here.
I guess he cut it out... I saw the uncut version. Try youtube... he went and filmed there.
DallasApple
Depends Upon My Mood..
Look YA"LL..don't deny it !!
Its a great country where your life can be destroyed because your sick!..or your arent sick and you are going broke trying to buy insurance so incase you get sick so you wont go broke then!
EVERYTHING would be fine if ya'll could understand you need to SHUT off your electicity..eat very little..save ALL your money all your life so you can afford a tripple by-pass....
That is if you want to LIVE..
Dont save for retirement!!! Save for cancer treatments!...And if you dont?..HEY..YOU arent RESPONSIBLE!!
Walk to your job..(if you have one ..these days they are harder to get)..to save on gas..Tell your kids to go jump off a bridge cuz yo aitn got no money..to help them with school..(unless you want to raid your heart transplant ..transient iscmic attack, occasional kidney stone atttack savigns)
Look ya'll ...its simple..LIVE in the dark..eat cheap beans...(rice is expensive so don't eat that)..walk ...do not drive..Only flush the toilet if you go # 2..
Live your life saving every penny to pay a doctor or a hospital...If you dont?..its YOUR FAULT if you die or your children die!
Love
Dallas
Its a great country where your life can be destroyed because your sick!..or your arent sick and you are going broke trying to buy insurance so incase you get sick so you wont go broke then!
EVERYTHING would be fine if ya'll could understand you need to SHUT off your electicity..eat very little..save ALL your money all your life so you can afford a tripple by-pass....
That is if you want to LIVE..
Dont save for retirement!!! Save for cancer treatments!...And if you dont?..HEY..YOU arent RESPONSIBLE!!
Walk to your job..(if you have one ..these days they are harder to get)..to save on gas..Tell your kids to go jump off a bridge cuz yo aitn got no money..to help them with school..(unless you want to raid your heart transplant ..transient iscmic attack, occasional kidney stone atttack savigns)
Look ya'll ...its simple..LIVE in the dark..eat cheap beans...(rice is expensive so don't eat that)..walk ...do not drive..Only flush the toilet if you go # 2..
Live your life saving every penny to pay a doctor or a hospital...If you dont?..its YOUR FAULT if you die or your children die!
Love
Dallas
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That's the spirit.
DallasApple
Depends Upon My Mood..
No, just cynical. (or cyclical, one of those)Are you mad at me?
Love
Dallas
DallasApple
Depends Upon My Mood..
Well Patty..(cake)...
I guess I can relate to that..
Love
Dallas
(hmm cycilcal...thats like a pattern isnt it?..)
DallasApple
Depends Upon My Mood..
That rotates?
DallasApple
Depends Upon My Mood..
Alceste
Vagabond
I just want to clear up a few of Rick's fundamental misconceptions in one post.
I am absolutely shocked to hear some of you pay $900 a month for insurance, and then have to pay deductibles as well. In Montreal I was in the 25% income tax bracket, which means I paid about $400 in taxes every month (let's not get into sales tax for the sake of simplicity).
I don't go to the doctor much, but in Montreal I got this bizarre headache for about 2 weeks - couldn't sleep because of it, painkillers didn't help much - so I called up this medical advice thingy where you can talk to a nurse (has to be French, unfortunately!) She got me to describe my symptoms and instructed me to go straight to the emergency room, so I did, and within an hour I'd received blood tests, a CAT scan, and spoken to a doctor. He found nothing wrong in the tests, so he diagnosed me with a pinched nerve and realigned my neck by tugging on my head in this particular way, and I was sorted. And I never got a bill.
Considering that's the only time I've seen a doctor in about a decade (don't like 'em), I expect paying about $400 monthly in taxes for a decade has more than covered my CAT scan, so it's ridiculous to imply that because I am in a low tax bracket but still receive the same quality of care as people who are in a higher tax bracket I'm a freeloader with an entitlement mentality. Who's to say they're not having expensive heart surgery on MY dime from time to time? I've paid for my care, but I'm happy for it to cover somebody else's too, even if they happen to be a comparitively rich person with expensive medical problems.
The point here I'd really like to stress is that I was paying LESS THAN HALF what you are paying, and that's my total income tax - universal health care was only part of what it covered.
And there was no deductible, no requirement to interact with a secretive gang of budget-crunching profiteers solely concerned with maximizing profits (ie premiums) and minimizing expenses (ie payouts for care), I did not have to alter my standard of living in any way to budget for this unexpected medical expense. I felt poorly, I went to the hospital, I had tests, and I was cured, all for nothing, and all within the course of about two weeks.
Rick says he's worth a million, so maybe he is one of that class of wealthy people who are just terrified "the poor" are going to find a way force him to have the type of social conscience that requires sharing your fortunes with those who have less. But the picture he paints is a fantasy that exists only in the minds of people like that. In the real world (of socialized medicine), we all pay - even the poor - and we all receive care.
Now, let's look at some of the research and data Auto has been pushing for. Can we agree the World Health Organization is a fairly reliable and objective source of data?
They have a customizable search, which I was able to use to come up with the following information for the purpose of comparison.
Government expenditure on health as a percentage of total health expenditure
Canada: 70.2% United States 45.1%
Hospital beds per 10,000 population
Canada: 34 United States: 32
Infant Mortality rate per 1000 population
Canada: 5 United States: 7
Maternal Mortality per 100,000 live births
Canada: 7 United States: 11
Per capita total expenditure on health:
Canada: $3463 United States: $6347
Life expectancy at birth:
Canada: 81 United States: 78
In light of the above, can we agree that Canada's system performs significantly better and costs half as much as the US system? You can always make your own table to check my data, but be aware that I will just keep posting it again and again every time somebody claims the US system provides better service, or costs less, or is "better" for anyone except the people who are pocketing that extra three grand (per capita) Americans are paying for their inferior service.
I am absolutely shocked to hear some of you pay $900 a month for insurance, and then have to pay deductibles as well. In Montreal I was in the 25% income tax bracket, which means I paid about $400 in taxes every month (let's not get into sales tax for the sake of simplicity).
I don't go to the doctor much, but in Montreal I got this bizarre headache for about 2 weeks - couldn't sleep because of it, painkillers didn't help much - so I called up this medical advice thingy where you can talk to a nurse (has to be French, unfortunately!) She got me to describe my symptoms and instructed me to go straight to the emergency room, so I did, and within an hour I'd received blood tests, a CAT scan, and spoken to a doctor. He found nothing wrong in the tests, so he diagnosed me with a pinched nerve and realigned my neck by tugging on my head in this particular way, and I was sorted. And I never got a bill.
Considering that's the only time I've seen a doctor in about a decade (don't like 'em), I expect paying about $400 monthly in taxes for a decade has more than covered my CAT scan, so it's ridiculous to imply that because I am in a low tax bracket but still receive the same quality of care as people who are in a higher tax bracket I'm a freeloader with an entitlement mentality. Who's to say they're not having expensive heart surgery on MY dime from time to time? I've paid for my care, but I'm happy for it to cover somebody else's too, even if they happen to be a comparitively rich person with expensive medical problems.
The point here I'd really like to stress is that I was paying LESS THAN HALF what you are paying, and that's my total income tax - universal health care was only part of what it covered.
And there was no deductible, no requirement to interact with a secretive gang of budget-crunching profiteers solely concerned with maximizing profits (ie premiums) and minimizing expenses (ie payouts for care), I did not have to alter my standard of living in any way to budget for this unexpected medical expense. I felt poorly, I went to the hospital, I had tests, and I was cured, all for nothing, and all within the course of about two weeks.
Rick says he's worth a million, so maybe he is one of that class of wealthy people who are just terrified "the poor" are going to find a way force him to have the type of social conscience that requires sharing your fortunes with those who have less. But the picture he paints is a fantasy that exists only in the minds of people like that. In the real world (of socialized medicine), we all pay - even the poor - and we all receive care.
Now, let's look at some of the research and data Auto has been pushing for. Can we agree the World Health Organization is a fairly reliable and objective source of data?
They have a customizable search, which I was able to use to come up with the following information for the purpose of comparison.
Government expenditure on health as a percentage of total health expenditure
Canada: 70.2% United States 45.1%
Hospital beds per 10,000 population
Canada: 34 United States: 32
Infant Mortality rate per 1000 population
Canada: 5 United States: 7
Maternal Mortality per 100,000 live births
Canada: 7 United States: 11
Per capita total expenditure on health:
Canada: $3463 United States: $6347
Life expectancy at birth:
Canada: 81 United States: 78
In light of the above, can we agree that Canada's system performs significantly better and costs half as much as the US system? You can always make your own table to check my data, but be aware that I will just keep posting it again and again every time somebody claims the US system provides better service, or costs less, or is "better" for anyone except the people who are pocketing that extra three grand (per capita) Americans are paying for their inferior service.
Mathematician
Reason, and reason again
The freeloader concern is negligible when talking about insurance. People don't like going to the doctor and they certainly don't like to get sick. When individuals do see reason to go, there's probably something up - it saves more money to have a poor person check up early on and not rush an emergency procedure.
More money could probably be saved having government insurance on everything, really.
More money could probably be saved having government insurance on everything, really.
NoahideHiker
Religious Headbanger
We may as well socialize it because we're already paying for the deadbeats who don't pay anyhow. If I'm going to pay for the dead beats I may as well get a free ride too.
It doesn't scare me that the federal government can't run ANYTHING well or efficiency. Not at all. And besides, it's only my health on the line.
It doesn't scare me that the federal government can't run ANYTHING well or efficiency. Not at all. And besides, it's only my health on the line.