little curious about you guys..:)

[.lava]

hi, i am a Muslim. the topic 'will God Fall' had my attention.
you probably already explained yourself some people. but i do not prefer a monolog if there was a chance to have dialog

i know nothing about your beliefs. here is a few i wonder about;

are you theist luciferian? is that mean you are theist? how do those two words come together and make one belief? aren't you satanic?

what are your thoughts about today's world? do you think world is ruled by divine powers?

 

[fallen angel zar'roc]

Yes, I'm a theist Luciferian and I am theistic. They don't make a religion they are my stance. To Luciferians Lucifer and Satan are two different beings, so no I'm not satanic. Todays world is different it is trying harder and harder to push christian beliefs. I think god has abandoned earth and the true Divine ruler Lucifer is watching us now.

 

[.lava]

Yes, I'm a theist Luciferian and I am theistic. They don't make a religion they are my stance. To Luciferians Lucifer and Satan are two different beings, so no I'm not satanic. Todays world is different it is trying harder and harder to push christian beliefs. I think god has abandoned earth and the true Divine ruler Lucifer is watching us now.

Satan and Lucifer are not the same thing to me either. the only difference is i do not think there are two characters. it is more like two opposite situations of one creature.

you say God has abandoned earth. it sounds like you are disappointed by God. is that true?

do you think God is the Creator?
isn't Lucifer evil? what's the difference between Satan and Lucifer?
according to my knowledge, Lucifer was one the highest. he was very close to God which means he knew God very well. this name 'bringer of light' taken away from him when he rebelled. he became Satan and somewhat turned into bringer of dark.

i think today world is ruled by evil. pretty much one of the darkest time on earth. there are organizations who work under the command of Satan, all around the world. but as you say, it seems like Christians are front.

 

[fallen angel zar'roc]

I'm not disapponited in god he did what he thought was right. I think god was created with the universe. No, I have firm belief that god and humans made him to look evil. Lucifer is more of enlightened, smart, and charismatic. Satan is weaker then Lucifer, but he is a headstrong, brutal, and rougher. Lucifer was god's first son before jesus, he fell from god grace because he wouldn't bend his knee. Just to make this a little bit clearer I'm anti-god. I believe that god is the root of humanities problems.

 

[.lava]

I believe that god is the root of humanities problems.

isn't it our greed, our ignorance and our hatred that brings problems?

 

[fallen angel zar'roc]

The seven deadly sins god loosed the universe. Lucifer suffer from pride the wrost of them. We suffer cause god will not admit he made a mistake.

 

[.lava]

The seven deadly sins god loosed the universe. Lucifer suffer from pride the wrost of them. We suffer cause god will not admit he made a mistake.

sins are nothing like viruses. when you are infected by a virus you get ill. but it is a different story with sins. we have free wills. we are not force to commit any sins. besides if there wasn't an option to commit sin then we'd be still in heaven. we would not be able to have this exam on earth. so, would it be right if i say you consider this exam as a mistake?

 

[fallen angel zar'roc]

No, if god needs to sort us then let him, but people shouldn't complain when someone fails to stand up to god's high standers. Also so that you understand something about Luciferian, we have no set belief there are so few of us that we gather our own information then come to our own conclusions on lucifer.

 

[BucephalusBB]

No, if god needs to sort us then let him, but people shouldn't complain when someone fails to stand up to god's high standers. Also so that you understand something about Luciferian, we have no set belief there are so few of us that we gather our own information then come to our own conclusions on lucifer.

In that case, why is it that you believe God abanded earth, yet Lucifer hasn't. What is his advantage here, what's left?

 

[fallen angel zar'roc]

Lucifer's advantage is humans. Humans will change the tide of the war.

 

[.lava]

No, if god needs to sort us then let him, but people shouldn't complain when someone fails to stand up to god's high standers. Also so that you understand something about Luciferian, we have no set belief there are so few of us that we gather our own information then come to our own conclusions on lucifer.

i think you admire nobility more than average person.

you say: 'people shouldn't complain when someone fails to stand up to God's standers.'

i don't know what you're saying here. can you explain?

where's your information coming from?

 

[fallen angel zar'roc]

I mean that if someone goes to hell for something petty then that person is not up is not up to god's standards. My infromation is mostly from The Revelation of Lucifer the Divine and talking with other Luciferians.

 

[.lava]

what are standards of God?

 

[fallen angel zar'roc]

Follow him without question, repent thought your life and at your death, and fear him.
Lucifer doesn't ask for anything.

 

[.lava]

Follow him without question, repent thought your life and at your death, and fear him.
Lucifer doesn't ask for anything.

i think it is in our nature to question things. when you know reasons why then it is reasonable to do whatever you do. i don't exactly know why you have this perspective about God and where it came from. God did create us and it is God who gave us intellect. intellect questions naturally. it is a tool to use. would be very illogical to be given a tool not to use.

imo fearing God is completely misunderstood.
it is very simple; you can't love what you fear. you love, because God loves you. fear you could have would be losing that love.
in our language we have some other word to express how it feels to be before God. its meaning is similar to amazement. it is like when you see a mountain lion, its magnificence amazes and gives some feeling like fear. but it is not fear exactly. it is like to admire with being weak. do you know what i mean?

 

[fallen angel zar'roc]

yes, I understand you. question to you why do you follow god?

 

[.lava]

yes, I understand you. question to you why do you follow god?

how do you follow God? there are certain things that i do daily. i follow things but none of them is God itself.


came to my mind, if what you're asking is why i want to be loved by God, it is because i love God. i admire its creation. so i follow my heart for that matter.

 

[fallen angel zar'roc]

your love of god is the samething as my love of Lucifer.

 

[.lava]

your love of god is the samething as my love of Lucifer.

and i won't say otherwise. i don't understand why you, as a theist, choose to follow a creature over the Creator who created that creature?

 

[fallen angel zar'roc]

I choose to follow the first son, becuase we are more like him then we are like his father.