Jeremy Mason
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The Bible is very clear that the Father is God, Jesus is God, and the Holy Spirit is God, and that there is only one God. I admit that it is somewhat hard to understand, but it would be bold for anyone to claim that anything they can't understand is automatically false. What about God(or the universe so atheists don't feel left out)? How did he or it come into existence in the first place? Everything that we understand in our physical universe has a cause, so what caused the first thing to "come into" existence, whether you believe it to God or the physical universe? Even though we have no idea how, the only conclusion to come to is that God had no cause, he has always existed. Are you going to explain to me how something can come into existence without any cause? Are you going to start believing that nothing exists anywhere because we don't understand how something had no cause?
Either you believe the Bible is true or not, don't give me that "as far as it is translated correctly" crap. You can go learn Hebrew and Greek, read the manuscripts, and translate them yourself if you don't believe any current translations are correct. Here are a few of the verse stating there is one God and no other, and you can find lots more, so feel free to look them up in whatever translation you want:Christ was very adamant in telling people they need to obey, which included believing in him. Yes, it is important to obey, but not because obeying saves you. Obeying is the result of faith, so if you aren't obeying then you don't have faith, but just because you are doing good things doesn't mean you have faith. It is certainly possible to be doing good things but not have faith. Obeying is important, but God does not give the Holy Spirit and forgiveness of sins because you obey the law (Galatians 3:5), and in Galatians 5:4 it says that anyone who is seeking forgiveness of sins through obedience of the law has but separated from Christ. Obeying is a result of gratitude toward God, those who have faith will want to obey, but obeying doesn't save you.
- Exodus 8:10
- Deuteronomy 6:4
- Psalms 86:10
- Isaiah 44:8
- Isaiah 45:21
- Isaiah 45:22
- Isaiah 46:9
- Isaiah 45:5
- Isaiah 45:18
- Mark 12:32
- Mark 12:29
- 1st Timothy 2:5
- 1st Corinthians 8:4
- Galatians 3:20
- James 2:19
Judging people means to pass sentence upon people, saying they should not receive forgiveness. On top of that, the only thing I did was point out what the Bible says, which is the standard we are already being measured against, so I'm not creating any new standard for myself to be measured against. The Bible is very clear about what a person must do to be saved and it is my job to tell people, not to cover it up or change it because others feel offended.
Katspur, did you really say these thing? I'm having a hard time finding them.