Christians and the Word of God.

[Jeremy Mason]

Are Christian's required to obey all of the New Testament?

 

[Katzpur]

Are Christian's required to obey all of the New Testament?

I would say yes, absolutely. I also think that most Christians would agree with me. The problem arises when we as Christians disagree on how to interpret some of what the New Testament says or what it means.

 

[Jeremy Mason]

I would say yes, absolutely. I also think that most Christians would agree with me. The problem arises when we as Christians disagree on how to interpret some of what the New Testament says or what it means.

Here's by question/bombshell. I've been to church's that say, "We believe all Christian's are responsible for following the rules of the written Word. But they allow girls to look like hookers in their church. And they wonder why 1/4 of girls today have STDs.

 

[Father Heathen]

Here's by question/bombshell. I've been to church's that say, "We believe all Christian's are responsible for following the rules of the written Word. But they allow girls to look like hookers in their church. And they wonder why 1/4 of girls today have STDs.

Looks like I might have to start going to church.

j/k

 

[Captain Civic]

Here's by question/bombshell. I've been to church's that say, "We believe all Christian's are responsible for following the rules of the written Word. But they allow girls to look like hookers in their church. And they wonder why 1/4 of girls today have STDs.

That's what bothers me a lot. Some of the girls at our church do themselves up really well, obviously wanting to be looked at. And you go "wtf?"

 

[uss_bigd]

I would say yes, absolutely. I also think that most Christians would agree with me. The problem arises when we as Christians disagree on how to interpret some of what the New Testament says or what it means.

actually, its not the interpretation ... its who follows everything thats written...

what matters is who accepts whats written.

if Peter said in the book of acts " Repent and be baptized"

• Are you going to interpret that and say baptism is not necessary????
• Are you going to say that repentance isnt necessary coz once saved your always saved anyway???

if Paul said to the Corinthians " give what your heart decides "

• are you going to collect 10%??? are you following what Paul said?

if John said, "we preached without taking anything from anyone who is not a follower"

• are you going to collect money from the catholics if you are a baptiste???

HOW DIFFICULT COULD IT BE??

 

[Jeremy Mason]

That's what bothers me a lot. Some of the girls at our church do themselves up really well, obviously wanting to be looked at. And you go "wtf?"

Thank you for saying that. It's one of the reasons why I don't go to church. I'm human as much as Adam and it's HARD for me to focus when Mrs. Jumblies is sitting next to me. I know I know, I should have more control over my thoughts, but it would help if the minister would adhere to the Word or God and protect his flock.

 

[uss_bigd]

It's one of the reasons why I don't go to church. I'm human as much as Adam and it's HARD for me to focus when Mrs. Jumblies is sitting next to me. I know I know, I should have more control over my thoughts, but it would help if the minister would adhere to the Word or God and protect his flock.

That means your going to the worng church

"seek ye first thy kingdom of God and his RIGHTEOUSNESS"

 

[Jeremy Mason]

actually, its not the interpretation ... its who follows everything thats written...

what matters is who accepts whats written.

if Peter said in the book of acts " Repent and be baptized"

• Are you going to interpret that and say baptism is not necessary????
• Are you going to say that repentance isnt necessary coz once saved your always saved anyway???

if Paul said to the Corinthians " give what your heart decides "

• are you going to collect 10%??? are you following what Paul said?

if John said, "we preached without taking anything from anyone who is not a follower"

• are you going to collect money from the catholics if you are a baptiste???

HOW DIFFICULT COULD IT BE??

Thank you brother. Very well said. I tried frubaling you but they would not let me. Something about spreading the wealth.?

 

[Jeremy Mason]

That means your going to the worng church

"seek ye first thy kingdom of God and his RIGHTEOUSNESS"

What church follows (1Cor. 11:5-16)?

 

[Katzpur]

Here's by question/bombshell. I've been to church's that say, "We believe all Christian's are responsible for following the rules of the written Word. But they allow girls to look like hookers in their church. And they wonder why 1/4 of girls today have STDs.

Well, I can't say that I disagree with you there. That's not the case with my church, but you've got a good point.

 

[Katzpur]

actually, its not the interpretation ... its who follows everything thats written...

what matters is who accepts whats written.

if Peter said in the book of acts " Repent and be baptized"

• Are you going to interpret that and say baptism is not necessary????
• Are you going to say that repentance isnt necessary coz once saved your always saved anyway???

if Paul said to the Corinthians " give what your heart decides "

• are you going to collect 10%??? are you following what Paul said?

if John said, "we preached without taking anything from anyone who is not a follower"

• are you going to collect money from the catholics if you are a baptiste???

HOW DIFFICULT COULD IT BE??

You've got a one-track mind, don't you? I think the thread is about modesty of dress, but if you'd like to debate any of the other topics, why don't you just start a new thread?

 

[Jeremy Mason]

You've got a one-track mind, don't you? I think the thread is about modesty of dress, but if you'd like to debate any of the other topics, why don't you just start a new thread?

No, it's all encompassing. There are many issues that need to be explored here and I welcome all of them. Thank you for yours.

 

[Captain Civic]

Thank you for saying that. It's one of the reasons why I don't go to church. I'm human as much as Adam and it's HARD for me to focus when Mrs. Jumblies is sitting next to me. I know I know, I should have more control over my thoughts, but it would help if the minister would adhere to the Word or God and protect his flock.

It doesn't distract me in a sexual sense, but it annoys me that they seem oblivious to it.

 

[Dunemeister]

What church follows (1Cor. 11:5-16)?

Very few. Some Brethren churches, and many Eastern Orthodox. However, it should be pointed out that some of the commands of scripture (e.g., "Take a little wine for your stomach illness") are directed to individual persons or communities to address a particular situation. I'm not up on the research for this particular passage, but I raise it only as a possibility. Perhaps Paul is addressing a particular issue at a particular church. In fact, given the context of 1 Corinthians as a whole, it's entirely likely that this is the case. But as I said, I'm unsure about the status of research on this passage.

 

[Jeremy Mason]

Very few. Some Brethren churches, and many Eastern Orthodox. However, it should be pointed out that some of the commands of scripture (e.g., "Take a little wine for your stomach illness") are directed to individual persons or communities to address a particular situation. I'm not up on the research for this particular passage, but I raise it only as a possibility. Perhaps Paul is addressing a particular issue at a particular church. In fact, given the context of 1 Corinthians as a whole, it's entirely likely that this is the case. But as I said, I'm unsure about the status of research on this passage.

I think that all Scripture needs to be followed strictly, as awkward as that may seem. The problem with not is someone says, I think we should follow the Bible except for this part and other says, yeah, and I don't think we have to follow this part either and so on and so. Hence the debate, where do Christians draw the line. (2 Tim. 3:16-17)

 

[Katzpur]

No, it's all encompassing. There are many issues that need to be explored here and I welcome all of them.

Okay. Sorry, I really thought that you were trying to focus on that one item. Past experience tells me that when you try to cover too much in one thread, it usually ends up getting kind of out of control pretty fast. But since it's your thread and you've said that it's all encompassing, I'll respond to uss_bigd's post.

if Peter said in the book of acts " Repent and be baptized"

• Are you going to interpret that and say baptism is not necessary????
• Are you going to say that repentance isnt necessary coz once saved your always saved anyway???

No, I'm not going to say that baptism is not necessary. I believe it is. I'm not going to say that repentance isn't necessary, because I don't believe in the doctrine of "once saved, always saved."

if Paul said to the Corinthians " give what your heart decides "

• are you going to collect 10%??? are you following what Paul said?

I'm not going to collect anything. I'm going to give. Jesus said (in Luke 11:42 and Matthew 23:23) that it is important to that we obey the entire law. While the payment of tithes (which specifically means 10%) may be less important than showing love, mercy and faith, we are expected to keep all of His commandments, and not just some of them.

if John said, "we preached without taking anything from anyone who is not a follower"

• are you going to collect money from the catholics if you are a baptiste???

Well, I'm neither a Catholic nor a Baptist, but my Church collects money only from its members. When it comes to giving, though, we give to whomever is in need.

 

[uss_bigd]

What church follows (1Cor. 11:5-16)?

let us read it then:

1 Corinthians 11:5-16


5But any woman who prays or prophesies without something on her head brings shame to her head. In fact, she may as well shave her head. [a] 6A woman should wear something on her head. It is a disgrace for a woman to shave her head or cut her hair. But if she refuses to wear something on her head, let her cut off her hair. 7Men were created to be like God and to bring honor to God. This means that a man should not wear anything on his head. Women were created to bring honor to men. 8It was the woman who was made from a man, and not the man who was made from a woman. 9He wasn't created for her. She was created for him. 10And so, because of this, and also because of the angels, a woman ought to wear something on her head, as a sign of her authority. [b] 11As far as the Lord is concerned, men and women need each other. 12It is true that the first woman came from a man, but all other men have been given birth by women. Yet God is the one who created everything. 13Ask yourselves if it is proper for a woman to pray without something on her head. 14Isn't it unnatural and disgraceful for men to have long hair? 15But long hair is a beautiful way for a woman to cover her head. 16This is how things are done in all of God's churches, [c] and that's why none of you should argue about what I have said.


the covering referred to is the HAIR in ones head ( verse 15)

my church follows this, our women never cuts their hair. (verse 6)

see the "old path"

 

[Jeremy Mason]

let us read it then:

1 Corinthians 11:5-16


5But any woman who prays or prophesies without something on her head brings shame to her head. In fact, she may as well shave her head. [a] 6A woman should wear something on her head. It is a disgrace for a woman to shave her head or cut her hair. But if she refuses to wear something on her head, let her cut off her hair. 7Men were created to be like God and to bring honor to God. This means that a man should not wear anything on his head. Women were created to bring honor to men. 8It was the woman who was made from a man, and not the man who was made from a woman. 9He wasn't created for her. She was created for him. 10And so, because of this, and also because of the angels, a woman ought to wear something on her head, as a sign of her authority. [b] 11As far as the Lord is concerned, men and women need each other. 12It is true that the first woman came from a man, but all other men have been given birth by women. Yet God is the one who created everything. 13Ask yourselves if it is proper for a woman to pray without something on her head. 14Isn't it unnatural and disgraceful for men to have long hair? 15But long hair is a beautiful way for a woman to cover her head. 16This is how things are done in all of God's churches, [c] and that's why none of you should argue about what I have said.


the covering referred to is the HAIR in ones head ( verse 15)

my church follows this, our women never cuts their hair. (verse 6)

see the "old path"

Thank you for the info. I will, but where is the info on the old path. The Anabaptist who are well versed actually cover the hair and I think this is what Paul was talking about. It's not that I want women to wear burkas(sp) or somehow oppress them, this is strictly a Word issue nothing else.

 

[uss_bigd]

Thank you for the info. I will, but where is the info on the old path. The Anabaptist who are well versed actually cover the hair and I think this is what Paul was talking about. It's not that I want women to wear burkas(sp) or somehow oppress them, this is strictly a Word issue nothing else.

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