Intelligent Design and People

[kdrier]

haha penguin, I guess the creator assumes its creations arn't idiots.

I know we are not designed perfectly. We were not intended to be perfect, in fact quite the contrary. How boring would life be if there was never any problems? Plus the more problems you've experienced, the more you can appreciate the times you don't have any. If someone was physically perfect most of the time, soon as they got an upset stomach, or they had a tooth ache, they wouldn't know how to handle it. Any little physical imperfection would drive them bonkers.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

haha penguin, I guess the creator assumes its creations arn't idiots.

...or He's a twisted sadist who thinks that cutting your steak into too-large pieces is a crime worthy of the death penalty.

And I think it would be a pretty poor omniscient being that would ever assume that humanity doesn't have its share of idiots.

I know we are not designed perfectly. We were not intended to be perfect, in fact quite the contrary. How boring would life be if there was never any problems? Plus the more problems you've experienced, the more you can appreciate the times you don't have any. If someone was physically perfect most of the time, soon as they got an upset stomach, or they had a tooth ache, they wouldn't know how to handle it. Any little physical imperfection would drive them bonkers.

So... "good" design is evidence that God designed us, and "bad" design is also evidence that God designed us? Convenient.

 

[Willamena]

Need I say it again? If "idiot" is a part of the world, then it is also necessarily a part of the design.

 

[M O N S T E R]

How boring would life be if there was never any problems?

The inhabitants of heaven could probably shed some light on this question.

 

[Phasmid]

Sounds perfect to me !

Ooooohhhhh *high five*

 

[rheff78]

anything "imperfect" about us was brought on by our (the human race) own accord. We WERE created perfect, but we obviously fell.

 

[kdrier]

So... "good" design is evidence that God designed us, and "bad" design is also evidence that God designed us? Convenient.

I never said "god" designed us. Maybe the being(s) that designed us is barely more intelligent than we are, but they are obviously more intelligent. And we are definitely not a "bad design", just not a "perfect" design.

The inhabitants of heaven could probably shed some light on this question.

I don't believe in the bible version of heaven.

anything "imperfect" about us was brought on by our (the human race) own accord. We WERE created perfect, but we obviously fell.

I agree with that for the most part. I think if you go back a few centuries there wouldn't be close to as many problems we physically have now. I think it's just the constant reproducing of bad genetics and problems. We are too smart and emotional to experience survival of the fittest, mostly.

 

[sandandfoam]

To me, the most obvious problem area is the esophagus: we use the same tube for breathing and eating. If we eat carelessly, we suffocate to death; how is that good design?

Yeah, that's it. God took a week out from his day job at Dyson.
This would be a great thread to get stoned to.

 

[Willamena]

anything "imperfect" about us was brought on by our (the human race) own accord. We WERE created perfect, but we obviously fell.

And that is the design, in a nutshell.

 

[yossarian22]

anything "imperfect" about us was brought on by our (the human race) own accord. We WERE created perfect, but we obviously fell.

Ah, so that's how we got our appendix, by falling. Brilliant.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

anything "imperfect" about us was brought on by our (the human race) own accord. We WERE created perfect, but we obviously fell.

So... the shared elements of our digestive and respiratory system are a result of sin?

 

[w00t]

anything "imperfect" about us was brought on by our (the human race) own accord. We WERE created perfect, but we obviously fell.

That's right always blame us, never faulty workmanship!

 

[Magic Man]

anything "imperfect" about us was brought on by our (the human race) own accord. We WERE created perfect, but we obviously fell.

If we were created perfect, how did we fall? I thought if you were perfect, you couldn't make mistakes.

 

[Captain Civic]

So... the shared elements of our digestive and respiratory system are a result of sin?

I often find that I need more than two hands to do things sometimes. Maybe I should blame God for not giving me a third arm so my life is easier. It still works, doesn't it? Why do they have to be separate?

If we were created perfect, how did we fall? I thought if you were perfect, you couldn't make mistakes.

Free will.

 

[yossarian22]

I often find that I need more than two hands to do things sometimes. Maybe I should blame God for not giving me a third arm so my life is easier. It still works, doesn't it? Why do they have to be separate?

Because its crappy design no matter how you spin it. A third arm would require a different skeletal structure for something with a very narrow use. You eat and breathe everyday (hopefully)

Free will.

That's hardly a reason. If we were perfect, our choices would also be perfect.

 

[Captain Civic]

Because its crappy design no matter how you spin it. A third arm would require a different skeletal structure for something with a very narrow use. You eat and breathe everyday (hopefully)

Is eating and breathing at the same time necessary?

That's hardly a reason. If we were perfect, our choices would also be perfect.

That's an interesting perspective. If I have TOTAL free will, then I'm limited by what I can and can't choose to do?

 

[yossarian22]

Is eating and breathing at the same time necessary?

At the same time is the not issue. There is a chance that by eating, I will block my ability to breath killing me.

That's an interesting perspective. If I have TOTAL free will, then I'm limited by what I can and can't choose to do?

Yes, even if you have free will you are limited to what you can think of. We can only choose an option if we think it exists. If we were perfect, we could not think of an imperfect option.

 

[Captain Civic]

At the same time is the not issue. There is a chance that by eating, I will block my ability to breath killing me.

I see your point.

Yes, even if you have free will you are limited to what you can think of. We can only choose an option if we think it exists. If we were perfect, we could not think of an imperfect option.

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on that point.

 

[camanintx]

anything "imperfect" about us was brought on by our (the human race) own accord. We WERE created perfect, but we obviously fell.

Doesn't the fact that other animals can see, hear, smell, run, breath, etc., better than humans show that we could have been better, thus we are not nor have ever been perfect?

 

[Magic Man]

Free will.

If exercising the free will wih which we were created made us imperfect, then the fact that we were created with it automatically disqualifies us as being created perfect.

There's no such thing as a perfect apple because it has the ability to rot. If left alone long enough it will grow blemishes, nullifying its perfection.