The Prodigal Son and Satan

[nutshell]

If you think about it, in our faith, children who come into this world and die as infants or small children never HAD to come down and humble themselves, my guess is that it has to do with eternal progression, we progressed in our knowledge in the pre-existence regarding many things. Christ obtained Godhood because of his slefless sacrifice for all mankind. he was perfect, he did not have to descend below all things as in our case. little children are whole in the eyes of the Lord. maybe we had to learn from our own mistakes while others were able to learn from the mistakes of others. the point is we do not know and this is all specualtion, but in my mind it makes perfect sense that Satan willfully rebelled against a fullness of the gospel truth. making it impossible for him to repent.

But some general authorities have stated infants/small children, while getting a free pass, will be raised by their parents in the next life. I'm assuming that will include some sort of progression.

So, by your logic, Satan is either a) like a little child, or b) like the Lord Jesus Christ.

Not sure I can agree with either of those.

 

[madhatter85]

But some general authorities have stated infants/small children, while getting a free pass, will be raised by their parents in the next life. I'm assuming that will include some sort of progression.

So, by your logic, Satan is either a) like a little child, or b) like the Lord Jesus Christ.

Not sure I can agree with either of those.

he is like neither because he cannot gain a physical body.

as for the children statement, yes, they will be raised during the millennium by their parents, but they will be resurrected beings, they will no longer have a veil. they did not need to progress in mortality. only in immortality.

 

[madhatter85]

But some general authorities have stated infants/small children, while getting a free pass, will be raised by their parents in the next life. I'm assuming that will include some sort of progression.

So, by your logic, Satan is either a) like a little child, or b) like the Lord Jesus Christ.

Not sure I can agree with either of those.

but, Jesus Christ and Lucifer are the opposites of each other. hey had two opposing plans, and Lucifer's was against the nature of free-agency and the will of God. Jesus Christ's plan was selfless and because it was chosen, Lucifer became angry and got too big for his own britches, threw a tissy fit and god cast out of heaven. he then took 1/3 of the host of heaven with him.

D&C: 76

23 For we saw him, even on the right hand of God; and we heard the voice bearing record that he is the Only Begotten of the Father— 24 That by him, and through him, and of him, the worlds are and were created, and the inhabitants thereof are begotten sons and daughters unto God.

25 And this we saw also, and bear record, that an angel of God who was in authority in the presence of God, who rebelled against the Only Begotten Son whom the Father loved and who was in the bosom of the Father, was thrust down from the presence of God and the Son,

26 And was called Perdition, for the heavens wept over him—he was Lucifer, a son of the morning.

27 And we beheld, and lo, he is fallen! is fallen, even a son of the morning!

28 And while we were yet in the Spirit, the Lord commanded us that we should write the vision; for we beheld Satan, that old serpent, even the devil, who rebelled against God, and sought to take the kingdom of our God and his Christ—

29 Wherefore, he maketh war with the saints of God, and encompasseth them round about.

30 And we saw a vision of the sufferings of those with whom he made war and overcame, for thus came the voice of the Lord unto us:

31 Thus saith the Lord concerning all those who know my power, and have been made partakers thereof, and suffered themselves through the power of the devil to be overcome, and to deny the truth and defy my power—

32 They are they who are the sons of perdition, of whom I say that it had been better for them never to have been born;

33 For they are vessels of wrath, doomed to suffer the wrath of God, with the devil and his angels in eternity;

34 Concerning whom I have said there is no forgiveness in this world nor in the world to come—

35 Having denied the Holy Spirit after having received it, and having denied the Only Begotten Son of the Father, having crucified him unto themselves and put him to an open shame.

36 These are they who shall go away into the lake of fire and brimstone, with the devil and his angels—

37 And the only ones on whom the second death shall have any power;

the D&C affirms my statements made that he committed the unpardonable sin.

 

[FFH]

Why doesn't the classic parable apply to Satan???

Satan is not sorry for his evil deeds, he gladly does them, knowing full well it makes God angry, he get's a sick kick out it.

Why should we show sympathy for someone like this ??????

3 Nephi 9
[SIZE=-1]... for the devil laugheth, and his angels rejoice, because of the slain of the fair sons and daughters...[/SIZE]

The Devil and his angels want nothing more than for us all to be dead and consigned to hell for eternity.

The twin towers are an example of what Satan can and will do in the future if allowed the chance to possess the bodies of men as evil as they are.

Satan is a serial killer, don't feel sorry for the dude, he will burn in hell for all the evil he has purpetrated upon the human race.

 

[lunamoth]

Why doesn't the classic parable apply to Satan???

Some believe that it will.

 

[Ceridwen018]

Satan can't be forgiven because that would ruin the whole good/evil, ying/yang, light/darkness contrast that every religion/western movie needs to stay interesting.

 

[McBell]

Because Satan didn't/doesn’t come back to god and ask for forgiveness?

This is what I figure the case to be.
There is a big difference between "not being able to" and "not wanting to."

 

[Captain Civic]

This is what I figure the case to be.
There is a big difference between "not being able to" and "not wanting to."

True. But neither are specified in the Bible.

 

[McBell]

True. But neither are specified in the Bible.

Agreed.
And that is why I stated "I figure."

 

[sandy whitelinger]

My post was directed to madhatter and we have the common foundation of LDS beliefs (Satan was a spirit created by God like us who existed in the pre-existance before the world was form).

I don't see how that changes the premise of my post.

 

[sojourner]

If Satan exists as a being, then that being is, ultimately, a child of God, no matter how far that being strays from God's presence. I believe that, eventually, God's grace will win out over our propensity to wander off. Everyone will be reconciled.

 

[sandy whitelinger]

If Satan exists as a being, then that being is, ultimately, a child of God, no matter how far that being strays from God's presence. I believe that, eventually, God's grace will win out over our propensity to wander off. Everyone will be reconciled.

Too bad that's not a Scriptural view.

 

[nutshell]

I don't see how that changes the premise of my post.

Because LDS belief Satan is one of God's spirit children, just like you and me.

 

[sojourner]

Too bad that's not a Scriptural view.

Too bad it is...

 

[madhatter85]

where is the scripture to back it?

 

[sojourner]

where is the scripture to back it?

**sigh** Do I really have to point out **yet again** all of the universalist themes in the Bible? Read it for yourself.

 

[madhatter85]

**sigh** Do I really have to point out **yet again** all of the universalist themes in the Bible? Read it for yourself.

too lazy to look it all up in the Bible especially since i have absolutely no idea how to find something that's not there.

 

[McBell]

**sigh** Do I really have to point out **yet again** all of the universalist themes in the Bible? Read it for yourself.

Why not start a thread called "Universalist Themes in the Bible," list them in the thread, then link to that thread whenever anyone asks for you to support your claim?
One would think that that is a much better alternative to "Read it for yourself."

 

[lunamoth]

If you see the universalist theme in the Bible you see it everywhere, not just in one or two passages.

 

[McBell]

If you see the universalist theme in the Bible you see it everywhere, not just in one or two passages.

Since I am unfamiliar with universalism to begin with, the statement in post #36 is not only useless but seems like a rather insufficient way to support ones claim.