Why chariot is mentioned in Veda , and so often?

[paarsurrey]

Chariot is a symbol of war, not of peace.
We will ascertain it from Rigveda where-ever the word “chariot” has been mentioned and the context verses. Please


Regards

 

[StarryNightshade]

Do you ever get bored nitpicking scriptures that aren't of your faith?

This isn't sarcasm, I legitimately want to know.

 

[Vinayaka]

Starry, I think it's the mindset of worrying what others do rather than worrying about your own behaviour, or working on your own behaviour. Oddly, I think everyone here would respect Amadiyya Islam a lot more if a certain practitioner stopped what he does. It's not in the spirit of Amadiyya.

 

[Jainarayan]

We will ascertain it from Rigveda where-ever the word “chariot” has been mentioned and the context verses.

We will do no such thing. People are tired of this ripping Hindu scriptures apart in a futile attempt to invalidate them. Moreover, chariots are mentioned in the Rig Veda as being the vehicles of Ushas, the dawn, and Agni carrying prayers and messages between Earth and the gods. Those are hardly military or martial uses. And if you want the verses, look them up.

 

[Terese]

Pranam Paarsurrey ji, I hope this is a sufficient answer

The Upaniṣhads say there is a chariot, which has five horses pulling it; the horses have reins in their mouths, which are in the hands of a charioteer; a passenger is sitting at the back of the chariot. Ideally, the passenger should instruct the charioteer, who should then control the reins and guide the horses in the proper direction. However, in this case, the passenger has gone to sleep, and so the horses are holding sway.

In this analogy, the chariot is the body, the horses are the five senses, the reins in the mouth of the horses is the mind, the charioteer is the intellect, and the passenger seated behind is the soul residing in the body. The senses (horses) desire pleasurable things. The mind (reins) is not exercising restraint on the senses (horses). The intellect (charioteer) submits to the pull of the reins (mind). So in the materially bound state, the bewildered soul does not direct the intellect in the proper direction. Thus, the senses decide the direction where the chariot will go. The soul experiences the pleasures of the senses vicariously, but these do not satisfy it. Seated on this chariot, the soul (passenger) is moving around in this material world since eternity.

However, if the soul wakes up to its higher nature and decides to take a proactive role, it can exercise the intellect in the proper direction. The intellect will then govern the lower self—the mind and the senses—and the chariot will move in the direction of eternal welfare. In this way, the higher self (soul) must be used to control the lower self (senses, mind, and, intellect).

 

[Aupmanyav]

Do you ever get bored nitpicking scriptures that aren't of your faith?

Nitpicking? They are not even proper questions. Aryans did have horse-drawn carriages, but the mention of chariots does not always mean a war-chariot. Many times, it represents the motion of sun in the sky (as our friends Jainarain and Terese said). After all, the sun also is supposed to travel in a chariot drawn by a seven-headed horse, Uchchaishrawa, in his long travel during the Arctic day of some six months, and then nearer the horizon during dawn or dusk, with no show during the two or three months night when it is supposed to be imprisoned by the demons of darkness. Sun was life to them. During the night they could not even bury the dead as mentioned in the Zoroastrian Vendidad.

"The Parsi scriptures are still more explicit. In the Vendidad, Fargards V, 10, and VIII, 4, a question is raised how the worshiper of Mazda should act, when a death takes place in a house when the summer has passed and the winter has come; and Ahura Mazda answers, “In such cases a Kata (ditch) should be made in every house and there the lifeless body should be allowed to lie for two nights, or for three nights, or for a month long, until the birds begin to fly, the plants to grow, the floods to flow, and the wind to dry up the water from off the earth.” Considering the fact that the dead body of a worshipper of Mazda is required to be exposed to the sun before it is consigned to birds, the only reason for keeping the dead body in the house for one month seems to be that it was a month of darkness."
BG Tilak, "Arctic Home in Vedas", page 71

 

[Jainarayan]

After all, the sun also is supposed to travel in a chariot

He does indeed, as does Shanidev.

 

[Aupmanyav]

Well, one cannot move about without a mount or car. However, Lord Rama (along with Mother Sita and brother Lakshman) traveled thousands of miles on foot during their exile.

Jai, while you mention Shani, do not forget the twins Ashwini Kumaras.

"The Ashvins or Ashwini Kumaras (Sanskrit: aśvin-, dual aśvinau), in Hindu mythology, are two Vedic gods, divine twin horsemen in the Rigveda, sons of Saranyu, a goddess of the clouds and wife of Surya in his form as Vivasvant. They symbolise the shining of sunrise and sunset, appearing in the sky before the dawn in a golden chariot, bringing treasures to men and averting misfortune and sickness."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashvins

 

[Jainarayan]

For sure, there are many gods who ride in chariots having nothing to do with war.

 

[paarsurrey]

"Do you ever get bored nitpicking scriptures that aren't of your faith?
This isn't sarcasm, I legitimately want to know."

All scriptures are for all human beings. Please
Regards

 

[paarsurrey]

Why chariot is mentioned in Veda , and so often?

Rigveda

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[01-030] HYMN XXX. Indra.

1 WE seeking strength with Soma-drops fill full your Indra like a well, Most liberal, Lord of Hundred Powers, 2 Who lets a hundred of the pure, a thousand of the milk-blent draughts Flow, even as down a depth, to him; 3 When for the strong, the rapturous joy he in this manner hath made room Within his belly, like the sea. 4 This is thine own. Thou drawest near, as turns a pigeon to his mate: Thou carest too for this our prayer. 5 O Hero, Lord of Bounties, praised in hymns, may power and joyfulness Be his who sings the laud to thee. 6 Lord of a Hundred Powers, stand up to lend us succour in this fight In others too let us agree. 7 In every need, in every fray we call as friends to succour us Indra the mightiest of all. 8 If he will hear us let him come with succour of a thousand kinds, And all that strengthens, to our call. 9 I call him mighty to resist, the Hero of our ancient home, Thee whom my sire invoked of old. 10 We pray to thee, O much-invoked, rich in all prccious gifts, O Friend, Kind God to those who sing thy praise. 11 O Soma-drinker, Thunder-armed, Friend of our lovely-featured dames And of our Soma-drinking friends. 12 Thus, Soma-drinker, may it be; thus, Friend, who wieldest thunder, act To aid each wish as we desire. 13 With Indra splendid feasts be ours, rich in all strengthening things wherewith, <18>Wealthy in food, we may rejoice. 14 Like thee, thyself, the singers' Friend, thou movest, as it were, besought, Bold One, the axle of the car. 15 That, Satakratu, thou to grace and please thy praisers, as it were, Stirrest the axle with thy strength. 16 With champing, neighing loudly-snorting horses Indra hath ever won himself great treasures A car of gold hath he whose deeds are wondrous received from us, and let us too receive it. 17 Come, Asvins, with enduring strength wealthy in horses and in kine, And gold, O ye of wondrous deeds. 18 Your chariot yoked for both alike, immortal, ye of mighty acts, Travels, O Aivins, in the sea. 19 High on the forehead of the Bull one chariot wheel ye ever keep, The other round the sky revolves. 20 What mortal, O immortal Dawn, enjoyeth thee? Where lovest thou? To whom, O radiant, dost thou go? 21 For we have had thee in our thoughts whether anear or far away, Red-hued and like a dappled mare. 22 Hither, O Daughter of the Sky, come thou with these thy strengthenings, And send thou riches down to us.

http://www.sanskritweb.net/rigveda/griffith.pdf

• Which one is the ancient home mentioned in the above chapter and which one is the current one as per Veda?
• Help is sought in the fight so the chariot mentioned is warlike not a peaceful one. Right? Please

Regards

 

[Jainarayan]

All scriptures are for all human beings.

But not to put them under a microscope and try to find fault with them, behind a veil of feigned desire to learn.

 

[Vinayaka]

Please just leave us alone, Paarsurrey. You will be doing yourself and your faith a great favour. This sort of behavior is very unbecoming of an Ammadiyya Muslim. If my friend the Ammadiyya shopkeeper was still alive, and I told him how on a an on-line forum, we Hindus were being harassed like this, he'd apologize for his entire faith, including you. So please just stop it. Enough enough enough.

I think I will be writing a letter to your Imams to let them know what this so called 'peaceful' person is up to.

 

[LuisDantas]

All scriptures are for all human beings.

With all due respect, that is not known for a fact. On the contrary, there is a lot pointing against that premise.

For one thing, not every human being can read at all. Even among those that can, there is a duty - a religious duty, actually - to make an effort to interpret the text accurately, discount and correct according to the social and historical circunstances, adjust for vocabulary.

And then comes the most important and noble duty related to religious scripture: to decide whether, how and when to apply the teachings and when not to.

No one can truly call himself religious until and unless he takes responsibility for his or her own doctrine.

 

[Aupmanyav]

I think I will be writing a letter to your Imams to let them know what this so called 'peaceful' person is up to.

Ahmadiyyas do not have Imams, they have Khalifas. The current one is their fifth Khalifa.

 

[Vinayaka]

Ahmadiyyas do not have Imams, they have Khalifas. The current one is their fifth Khalifa.

Thank you, not that it matters. For a group that is persecuted beyond belief, you'd think they'd have learned to keep their noses out of other peoples' business by now.

 

[Aupmanyav]

All scriptures are for all human beings.

Not really. Bible and Quran are not for me. They are very unscientific. For me, they are like advertising brochures, trying to sell you castles in air (heaven) and trying to frighten you if you don't buy them (eternal hell). On the other hand, Hindu scriptures need some intelligence to be understood, others will not be able to understand them.

 

[von bek]

Here I thought chariots were for traveling from one location to another.

 

[Vinayaka]

All scriptures are for all human beings. Please
Regards

Obviously not. That's like saying all laws in all countries are for all people. Well, they're not. Many people could care less what scriptures outside of their own say. For example, the Bible says to believe in Jesus. Are you saying everyone should believe in Jesus? Its different religions for different people. Thats the reality out there.

 

[von bek]

For sure, there are many gods who ride in chariots having nothing to do with war.

Yep.

Helios driving the Sun Chariot.

Selene driving the Moon Chariot. (With Endymion standing to the side.)