Jewscout Vs. The Truth

[jewscout]

i made this statement in another thread:
i have not and do not attempt to demonize the Palestinian people.

and was responded to w/
Also, it's absurd when people keep defending themselves thinking that they are angels on earth saying:

i have not and do not attempt to demonize the Palestinian people.

Then, they don't give the right for others to claim the same thing about themselves.

in an attempt to not get off topic in said thread i would like you to point out to me where i have EVER demonized the Palestinian people as a whole.
we shall go from there...

 

[TashaN]

Sorry, i have bad net today.

Why do you think it's ok to condemn Arabs as a whole while they have peaceful treaties with Israel such as Egypt and Jordan?

 

[jewscout]

Sorry, i have bad net today.

Why do you think it's ok to condemn Arabs as a whole while they have peaceful treaties with Israel such as Egypt and Jordan?

you are correct, nations like Egypt and Jordan have gone against the policies of khartoum and extended a hand to Israel, but still other nations continue to support terrorism and the call for Israel's destruction.
you have pointed the finger at Israel, yet where is the 5 Billion dollars in international aid that was directly given to the PA?
Why do you feel it's ok to condemn Israel when Hamas is the one who breaks the cease-fires following the Gaza withdrawl?

 

[jewscout]

you still have not illustrated where i have personally:
A) demonized the Palestinian people
B) or where i have denied anyone rights

if you mean to lump me in w/ the rest of Israel and zionism it only goes to show that there is no difference when one says zionist and not jew.
if that is the case Israel offered equal citizenship and protection under the law when it was founded to all citzens, whether jew or not.

 

[TashaN]

I don't know details about the situation there but i know that Hamas before it was elected successfully was calling for destroying and kick all Israelians. Now, believe me it's different and they can't say the same thing nor do like what they were doing before and you will see.

Why Israel give rights for it's people and give nothing for Palestinians from what she gave to Israelian.

They just have to give them passport or just to give them the right to establish their own country.

So, you know now it's not accurate to condemn arabs as a whole is it? because all your posts before were just arabs did, arabs arabs as all of them are living in one country !!!

Did you forget that all arabs "or most of them at least" bycott Egypt when they first made a peace trety with Israel?

 

[jewscout]

Hamas can change it's language in its charter but the rhetoric that is spoken has not changed.

once a pull out from the west bank occurs, which i have no doubt it will, then i see no reason for anyone to deny the PA the right to create an independent state. I support such a solution and it makes the most sense. If you don't want to be an israeli then don't be one.

you talk about me and condemning the whole of the arab world yet you lump me and my opinions in w/ the bad policies of the Israeli government, why?

 

[TashaN]

you talk about me and condemning the whole of the arab world yet you lump me and my opinions in w/ the bad policies of the Israeli government, why?

Because you used to talk about Arabs in negative way as they live in one country, you should have point out which country is doing that the same when we can't claim that Iran represent all Muslims. For example, i can't claim that europe is anti-Muslims when one country is the one responsible for that act. Try to understand how people would feel when you attack them blindly putting them into one single cup.

 

[TashaN]

you still have not illustrated where i have personally:
A) demonized the Palestinian people

Palestinians are arabs too.

B) or where i have denied anyone rights

When you think it's ok for Israel to have shortage in it's dealing with Palestinians, killing them taking their houses, targeting their leaders, raping their girls, hitting old people and destroying their buildings but in the other side it's not ok for arabs to hate Israel for doing so with their Palestinian brothers.

 

[jewscout]

When you think it's ok for Israel to have shortage in it's dealing with Palestinians

Shortages like when Barak offered Arafat all of Gaza, 98% of the West bank and East Jerusalem, everything he always called for?

killing them taking their houses

Show me when this has happened and let me see the historical evidence for myself.

targeting their leaders

who?

raping their girls

when?

hitting old people

When?

Why do you condemn the whole of Israel when there are millions of Israeli jews who live side by side w/ Arab christians and muslims and desire peace? Are you any worse when you paint the whole of Israel as evil because of the actions its government?
Where is your condemnation of the broken cease-fire done by Hamas? Where are your articles on the corruption and ineptitude of the PA, especially during the rule of Arafat, which has been by far a greater cause for Palestinian suffering than any Israel can perpetuate? Why do you condemn Israel for attacks when Hamas and Islamic Jihad fire first? Do you expect a nation-state to take attacks like that without rebuttle?

Where is the 5 billion dollars in international aid which could have created homes and businesses?

Why do you place the blame at the feet of Israel and ignore the corruption on the otherside of the conflict?

 

[TashaN]

I do so to show you that both of them are suffering but not one side, like when Israelians came claiming that they the good guys.

Tom Hurndall, a British peace activist, student, and photographer, was shot in the head by an Israeli soldier in April of 2003 as he was trying to protect Palestinian children from Israeli tanks and gunfire in the Rafah refugee camp in the Gaza Strip. He later died of his wounds after lying comatose in a British hospital for nine months.
http://www.palestinemonitor.org/new_web/may_05_archive.htm

the Israeli occupation forces (IOF) arrested two Palestinian teenagers a week ago and proceeded to photograph them with mobile phones' built-in cameras while stark naked.
http://www.aljazeera.com/me.asp?service_ID=9274

This day, June 29th, Rateb Abu Rahma, "the Palestinian Ghandi," -- a non-violent peace activist from Bil'in -- remains in custody after the prosecution appealed against his release on bail yesterday.
http://www.cmaq.net/en/node.php?id=21575

BORN TO KILL SOLDIERS (IT'S DISCUSTING DON'T SEE IT BECAUSE YOU WILL THROW UP)
http://www.voicesofpalestine.org/outrageous/organtraffic.asp

Israeli Guards Rape Palestinian Women
Samer Khuwayera & Hanadi Dwaikat
http://www.palestinemonitor.org/Special%20Section/prisoners%20and%20detension/Israeli%20Guards%20Rape%20Palestinian%20Women.htm

'I can't imagine anyone who considers himself a human being can do this'
[font=arial,helvetica,sans-serif]On Friday a four-year-old Palestinian boy was shot dead by a soldier - the most recent child victim of the Israeli army. Chris McGreal investigates a shocking series of deaths[/font]
http://www.guardian.co.uk/g2/story/0,,1007051,00.html

Israel killed a 13 year old boy. His one mistake was he got too close to the apartheid wall that the Israelis are building round the West Bank.
http://www.socialistworker.co.uk/article.php?article_id=2559

Israel destroy Palestinian authority buildings, besiege Arafat headquarters
http://www.arabicnews.com/ansub/Daily/Day/020923/2002092322.html

The Jerusalem municipality will demolish 88 homes housing around 1,000 residents in an Arab neighborhood to build a national park
http://www.palestinemonitor.org/nueva_web/updates_news/news/home_demolition_project.htm

Israeli soldiers entered on the second day of the invasion on a search-and-destroy mission
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/1925760.stm


Tell me if you want more ....

 

[jewscout]

I do so to show you that both of them are suffering but not one side, like when Israelians came claiming that they the good guys.

i doubt there are any "good guys" leading the fight on either side...the "good guys" suffer.
but how can the act perpetrated by "martyrs" of the Palestinian cause be swept aside, or worse, condoned?
you said:

'I can't imagine anyone who considers himself a human being can do this'

this could easily be appled to...

Ramallah mob beats 2 Israeli Reservists to death and mutilates their lifeless bodies, all after taking a wrong turn...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynching#Israel.2C_West_Bank_and_Gaza_Strip

Israeli victims of Terrorism in 2002...
http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2002/terror.victims/page1.html

killing a mother and her children, are they justifiable targets?
http://www.israelnewsagency.com/israelpalestineterrorism127691.html

targeting the enemy...children
http://www.education.gov.il/children/page_8.htm

instead of a wedding, a funeral is held
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=1427286

dehumanizing actions have been made by individuals in the conflict, i doubt anyone is guilt free.
and we could go on and on w/ links of Israeli and Palestinian victims...but what's the point?
has this conflict doomed us to pointing the finger at the other, to spend the rest of our lives demonizing the other...who's profiting from this circle?

some food for thought this Shabbat...

EDIT: damnit the uncontrollable bolding happened again!:help:

 

[TashaN]

That's why i told you in my pervious post before i post the links, BOTH of them are suffering but most of time Israel play the victim role even though they do much horrible things because they have power, developed weapons not stones.

Got what i'm trying to say?

 

[jewscout]

That's why i told you in my pervious post before i post the links, BOTH of them are suffering but most of time Israel play the victim role even though they do much horrible things because they have power, developed weapons not stones.

Got what i'm trying to say?

now that statement is a matter of perspective,
people see what they want to see, i can recall when i was in College we had a "Free Palestine Now" organization pushing the suffering of the Palestinian people into the spotlight meanwhile no organization showed the suffering on the Israeli side.

Understandably, from your perspective, Israel seems to always play the victim, however my view says if that were the case why would sites like Honestreporting.com which is pro-israel exist claiming media bias against Israel? (i'm not saying there is one way or the other i'm just making a point)

i see what you are saying, however, it is still a matter of perspective.
(not to say there isn't truth in ur points but we see things w/ the glasses we choose to view the world)

 

[TashaN]

now that statement is a matter of perspective,
people see what they want to see, i can recall when i was in College we had a "Free Palestine Now"

Because they want at least to acknowledge their own country if they couldn't return back all of their land back.

 

[jewscout]

Because they want at least to acknowledge their own country if they couldn't return back all of their land back.

ironically Free Palestine Now didn't have a single Palestinian or Arab in the organization, they were all suburbanite white kids

again, i see no reason why the Palestinians shouldn't have their own country, IMO it's not in the interest of Israel to try to control these areas, it is a drain on manpower and captial (hence the pullout from Gaza).

but i'm not an Israeli nor do i make policy, tho i think in hindsight that this was the view of Sharon who wanted, before his stroke, to implement a pull out from the West Bank region as well.