Challenge for atheists/ atheist position

[Desert Snake]

Can you convince me that I'm incorrect in my theism? Here is the thing though, no help from me, you'll have to simply present your argument, or realize that you don't have an argument suitable, and pass on the challenge.
I'm an honest person, not religious, this isn't a ''trick'' question. Non atheists can answer to

/fun thread

 

[viole]

Can you convince me that I'm incorrect in my theism? Here is the thing though, no help from me, you'll have to simply present your argument, or realize that you don't have an argument suitable, and pass on the challenge. Ie I'll let you know if your evidence etc comes close to an argument.
I'm an honest person, not religious, this isn't a ''trick'' question. Non atheists can answer to

/fun thread

Are you addressing a particular version of God (e.g. The Christian one) or belief in a not specified God?

Ciao

- viole

 

[Desert Snake]

Are you addressing a particular version of God (e.g. The Christian one) or belief in a not specified God?

Ciao

- viole

Well, if a deity is specified, it could be like a ''type'' of deity/// however, no, not specific, because then we just get into semantics, and there is too much disagreement on specific deity ideas even within the same religions/s/. Anything is welcome, though, this isn't supposed to be formal debate type thread.

 

[leibowde84]

Can you convince me that I'm incorrect in my theism? Here is the thing though, no help from me, you'll have to simply present your argument, or realize that you don't have an argument suitable, and pass on the challenge. Ie I'll let you know if your evidence etc comes close to an argument.
I'm an honest person, not religious, this isn't a ''trick'' question. Non atheists can answer to

/fun thread

Can you define "your theism", as that is necessary before any discussion can be had. We have to know what we are trying to disprove.

 

[Desert Snake]

Can you define "your theism", as that is necessary before any discussion can be had. We have to know what we are trying to disprove.

Theism in the broader sense. So, think of different types of deities, the theism idea to be argued against would have to cover those. Like, gods, etc., though, we can limit it to sentient beings. Things like an ''object'', no, that makes things too complicated. /even though people worship objects/


If you want you can present a specific deity argument, though, it's not a strict format

 

[viole]

Well, if a deity is specified, it could be like a ''type'' of deity/// however, no, not specific, because then we just get into semantics, and there is too much disagreement on specific deity ideas even within the same religions/s/. Anything is welcome, though, this isn't supposed to be formal debate type thread.

Well, yes. But we Can only possibly falsify things that are falsifiable to start with. If what you have in mind is not falsifiable, then I cannot possibly find any argument against that. By definition.

Unless you have falisifiable criteria in mind. My atheism is falsifiable. If I find myself at the pearly gates after my "death" then I will be falsified, for instance.

Ciao

- viole

 

[leibowde84]

Theism in the broader sense. So, think of different types of feities, the theism idea to be argued against would have to cover those. Like, gods, etc., though, we can limit it to sentient beings. Things like an ''object'', no, that makes things too complicated. /even though people worship objects/

So, what is the specific theism in question that you are asking us to disprove?

 

[Willamena]

Can you convince me that I'm incorrect in my theism?

That would require knowing what your theism is.

 

[viole]

Theism in the broader sense. So, think of different types of deities, the theism idea to be argued against would have to cover those. Like, gods, etc., though, we can limit it to sentient beings. Things like an ''object'', no, that makes things too complicated. /even though people worship objects/


If you want you can present a specific deity argument, though, it's not a strict format

How is that different from asking you to find arguments against my belief in cnbzvczxmcb?

Ciao

- viole

 

[Jumi]

Do your gods have personality or are they just symbols of something?

 

[Kilgore Trout]

Can you convince me that I'm incorrect in my theism?

All intelligent people understand that you can't reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into.

I win.

 

[Desert Snake]

Well, yes. But we Can only possibly falsify things that are falsifiable to start with. If what you have in mind is not falsifiable, then I cannot possibly find any argument against that. By definition.

Unless you have falisifiable criteria in mind. My atheism is falsifiable. If I find myself at the pearly gates after my "death" then I will be falsified, for instance.

Ciao

- viole

Ah, but I did not say ''prove'' your argument. Merely present a convincing one. That can be done, right? Perhaps not; if you think it can't, then you have answered whether you think that argument can be presented or not.

 

[Desert Snake]

Do your gods have personality or are they just symbols of something?

We'll go with sentient beings. Like the classical idea of a sentient deity or deities.

 

[Desert Snake]

So, what is the specific theism in question that you are asking us to disprove?

How specific do you need to present an argument? 'Atheism', is not specific, so, this may be your simply conceding that there isn't an argument to present.

 

[Desert Snake]

That would require knowing what your theism is.

Deity type, non-''object''. This isn't a trick question, it relates to the more standard ideas of what people think of as 'gods'/

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Well, if a deity is specified, it could be like a ''type'' of deity/// however, no, not specific, because then we just get into semantics, and there is too much disagreement on specific deity ideas even within the same religions/s/. Anything is welcome, though, this isn't supposed to be formal debate type thread.

Without knowing what sort of god(s) you believe in, I think this is just going to end up as a game of "guess q konn's beliefs". The specific of a person's theism are important in how to argue against it.

 

[Desert Snake]

How is that different from asking you to find arguments against my belief in cnbzvczxmcb?

Ciao

- viole

It's completely different. You don't know what ''theism'' means? You list yourself as an atheist, but you are equating theism with an nonsense question..

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Deity type, non-''object''. This isn't a trick question, it relates to the more standard ideas of what people think of as 'gods'/

There is no "standard idea". There are more different god-concepts than there are people.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

It's completely different. You don't know what ''theism'' means? You list yourself as an atheist, but you are equating theism with an nonsense question..

Theism is a broad category. Arguing against theism in general would be like arguing against sports in general. Arguments against baseball aren't going to apply to polo or biathlon.

 

[viole]

Ah, but I did not say ''prove'' your argument. Merely present a convincing one. That can be done, right? Perhaps not; if you think it can't, then you have answered whether you think that argument can be presented or not.

Without additional definitions? No, it can't be done.

You are perfectly free to believe in undefined things without running the risk of being contradicted. Alas, everybody can.

Ciao

- viole