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  1. ImmortalFlame

    Student Protests Against Israel Are Wonderful

    You mean, other than every time we bring up Israel doing war crimes you said we should blame Hamas and the one time you very explicitly stated that Israel bombing civilians is justified? See? You can't do it. On the one hand you say it'l may not be justified, then you turn around and say that...
  2. ImmortalFlame

    Student Protests Against Israel Are Wonderful

    Boom! That's all you need to acknowledge. You don't need to side with Hamas. You just need to acknowledge the simple idea that just because Hamas did something bad doesn't necessarily justify the response that followed. Now that you have acknowledged that it MAY NOT BE JUSTIFIED regardless of...
  3. ImmortalFlame

    Student Protests Against Israel Are Wonderful

    You asked "who attacked the Gaza strip on October 7th", not "Israel/the Gaza strip" by "late 2023". On October 7th, Hamas attacked Israel. By the end of 2023, Israel had attacked the Gaza strip.
  4. ImmortalFlame

    Student Protests Against Israel Are Wonderful

    Shows what you know. I know. What a silly and absurd position. Nope. Not something either me or Rev have implied or said. Why do you feel the need to make stuff up if your position is so sound? Much better to believe collective punishment is fine and developed states have no responsibility...
  5. ImmortalFlame

    Student Protests Against Israel Are Wonderful

    Nobody did. Immediately after then, however, Israel committed war crimes there.
  6. ImmortalFlame

    Student Protests Against Israel Are Wonderful

    Then I want you to say it. "Just because Hamas are evil/genocidal/whatever, it doesn't justify Israel committing war crimes". You've repeatedly said it's justified to bomb civilians and refuse to acknowledge Israel's blame for war crimes. And in what way does committing war crimes on civilians...
  7. ImmortalFlame

    Student Protests Against Israel Are Wonderful

    They sure are. Lots of people are. This doesn't quite serve as a justification for war crimes though, does it.
  8. ImmortalFlame

    Student Protests Against Israel Are Wonderful

    Firstly, they're already in control of the Gaza strip. Secondly, since the Gaza strip is effectively controlled by Israel, this means basically nothing. Thirdly, the Gaza strip right now is basically just a massive grave. Not a great strategic resource. Oh yeah, absolutely. That's why...
  9. ImmortalFlame

    Student Protests Against Israel Are Wonderful

    Yeah, sure. That's what we want. Totally.
  10. ImmortalFlame

    Student Protests Against Israel Are Wonderful

    Okay, I'm tired of you going around in circles. According to you, it's totally fine for Israel to do war crimes because "Hamas are mean".
  11. ImmortalFlame

    Student Protests Against Israel Are Wonderful

    You realize you're describing Israel there too, right? Israel also don't seem to care if there are innocent people in the way of their bombs. In fact, they don't even seem to care if they ONLY kill civilians. Tell Israel to stop bombing civilians.
  12. ImmortalFlame

    Student Protests Against Israel Are Wonderful

    And exactly what harm are they putting them in the way of? Where is that harm coming from?
  13. ImmortalFlame

    Israel - Gaza - Columbia University

    Eh, some bad optics. But some obvious exaggerations in there. It gives a couple of examples of isolated incidents, then suddenly and rapidly descends into individual students, individual accounts, and things that were just "stated" at the protest that have no reasonable human would assume were...
  14. ImmortalFlame

    Israel - Gaza - Columbia University

    I'm not. I make no excuses for anti-Semitism. But I also need a lot more to dismiss thousands of students than a few scant reports of very little veracity and some clearly very bad faith interpreting of them. Again, a lot of the protesters are Jewish, and the majority of reports of violence at...
  15. ImmortalFlame

    Pro-Palestinian Peaceful Protests

    It's like that famous quote. "If you want peace, you must prepare for war. And then, like, start wars by recklessly invading your neighbours all the time and do war crimes and stuff too, I guess."
  16. ImmortalFlame

    Student Protests Against Israel Are Wonderful

    So you just ignore what the nations actually do and whatever war crimes they may inflict on each other and judge them entirely by their racial makeup?
  17. ImmortalFlame

    Student Protests Against Israel Are Wonderful

    Israel are the ones currently dropping bombs on them. You're arguing that's justified. And by Israel dropping bombs on them. Neither does Israel, apparently. Depends. If you're taking about pure rhetoric, you're right. But if you want to talk about actual harm being done, Israel are doing...
  18. ImmortalFlame

    Student Protests Against Israel Are Wonderful

    I have repeatedly asked how it is justified to drop bombs on civilians. Earlier I asked: Post 544: "The question is: how does that (i.e: Hamas using human shields) justify dropping bombs on those citizens?" And you answered: Post 548: "No what justifies it is Israel has a right to defend...
  19. ImmortalFlame

    Israel - Gaza - Columbia University

    Such as? I acknowledged that earlier, and said there was very little evidence of it. Could you provide links to reports or recordings of these chants? More to the point, can you provide any examples of worse things that just chants? It's one thing to say "Hey, protesters, maybe choose your...
  20. ImmortalFlame

    Israel - Gaza - Columbia University

    I think this letter comes off as kind of as kind of holier than thou, and some of the rhetoric she uses is obviously very deliberately manipulative. For example: "Make no mistake; I have no problem with the keffiyehs you wear or the Palestinian flags you wave. But why is nationalist...
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