Did you even try to read it? I am guessing not. It has nothing to do with me and my knowledge. It has everything to do with the knowledge and information that is already out there.
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September 2016 Warmest on Record
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Im lucky to get that far. All of that is dependent on the information that they distrust. Then they ask for evidence (which they dismiss without any thought, see above for an example).
Perhaps as an alien, you lack my skills with Earthlings, eh?
It really just boils down to deniers to gaining a greater understanding of the topic they claim to know so much about. But they typically outright refuse. You can't reason with an unreasonable person.
I haven't yet run across the completely unreasonable person.
All can be swayed to some extent...if one tries with an appreciation for their perspective.
I am driven by data and evidence. I have a very difficult time appreciating their perspective in this case because it is contrary of close to every single piece of evidence that is currently available. I am not going to suspend my belief to humor their ludicrous take on a very accepted theory. Is it infallible? Of course not. But there is currently nothing to the contrary.
Evidence can be interpreted different ways.
Even the experts who believe AGW don't say they're certain.
And evidence is worth nothing unless it supports a cogent argument.
I never said you should "humor" them...simply reason from agreed
upon premises, & make the progress which can be made.
But if one is unwilling to do this, then one can expect to fail at convincing
them. This failure would not be their fault.
It is their fault. It really is. If they can't at least attempt to understand the data that is given to use by subject area experts who operate some of the most sophisticated equipment mankind has ever seen using proven scientific principles, that is one them. Sorry, not sorry. But if empirical evidence is not good enough for them due to their own paranoia/arrogance, that is their fault. And their ignorant decisions/opinions are having consequences that can be dangerous. Actions against said consequences, even if the entire theory is wrong, have little to no downside. But they refuse to see that.
But if one attempts to sway them, yet refuses to consider their perspective, then
this failure is not their fault. Generally speaking, if one attempts a task without
using available skills to achieve it, one must accept responsibility for failure.
No one is perfect. Deal with the imperfections.
Anything less is just being sanctimonious & pedantic.
So be it. If they are unwilling to unable to read and reason with what is in front of them, screw em. Thankfully they are a minority.
We are fortunate that you're a psychiatrist, & not an elementary school teacher.
There's a choice.....
1) Teach using effective methods.
2) Lecture about the information one likes.
To choose #2, & then complain about poor results is the fault of the would-be teacher.
Why talk to deniers?
Is it to be right, & feel the win of an argument?
Or is it to change their thinking?
It is a foolish mission anyway because nothing that I would present would be good enough. This rant of a thread is the product of what seems to be an endless supply of frustrating discussions that end in the deniers stomping their little feet and saying no.
Henry Ford supposedly said something relevant.....
Whether you think you can, or think you can't,
you're right.
I never said it would be quick or easy.
I've been working on one guy for a decade.
Slowly but surely, there's progress.
You are more optimistic than I am.
I'm more patient, & I have lower expectations.
Less frustration & more peace this way.
Perhaps patience is something I have not been gifted with.
MrMrdevincamus
Voice Of The Martyrs Supporter
No worries, deniers, Elon and I also believe it is a coincidence.
I think calling all those that disagree climate change is caused my mans activities 'deniers' is a misnomer. Most agree climate has can or will happen. It seems to me there is far more evidence to support the claim that natural causes is the main contributor to global warming. For example there is evidence that carbon dioxide emissions by man is a fraction of naturally occurring emissions. Most of this CO2 comes from the mantle of the earth via volcanic activity and other methods of out-gassing. But what convinced me that I could not support very popular position that man is causing global warming is earths early history. According to various studies there is no correlation between CO2 and avg temp the earth except it may be colder when CO2 levels rise to truly high levels! There were ice ages when CO2 levels were many times what they are today! Besides CO2 is not a very efficient Greenhouse gas compared to water vapor and dino f*rts. Lastly I kept up with the debate until a couple years ago until it became toxic, so I am asking is any solid proof emerged to show mans activity has or is causing global warming?
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CO2 emissions brought on by the industrialization of our civilizations have coincided almost perfectly with the raise in air, sea and atmospheric temperatures. Either it is the wildest coincidence or there is a correlation.