Dream within a dream.

I remembered my last dream before waking up !

Dream: I was asleep in bed when my wife walked into our bedroom to inform me a spider was in the kitchen. I immediately woke up from my dream and was about to get up when my wife who was in bed with me asked me what I was doing ! I told her she had woke me up to remove a spider from the kitchen. And then it dawned on me that it had all been a dream !!!

I told you my dreams were boring !!!

It really is puzzling why I cannot remember my dreams when I wake up as today my dream recollection was zero !!! I do remember waking up during my sleep time and remembering some of my dreams, however upon waking up I cannot remember one dream !!!

OK. As we are discussing dreams and consciousness and different levels of consciousness. I will now share a meditation experience as I think it shows another level of consciousness.

It was an afternoon meditation. As I fell into the meditation I felt light, kind of floaty too. I forgot I had a body. I then felt as though I was being gently led somewhere. I was impressed by the Matrix(the film) style artwork as it made me feel more relaxed. I then found myself on the top of a hill, the grass was a faded green, and as I remained there I saw big words began appearing(the size of say the Hollywood lettering)and the words spelt all the belief systems of the world. Christianity and Buddhism etc where there. As I began to read the words they all began to crumble. Then I returned to my waking state.

I knew what the meaning of this was because all through my life I have been going through the various belief systems of the world ! Currently I am happy without belonging to any belief system although I do like Buddhism and Taoism though !

Its a miracle that I never ended up in a nut house ! I was desperate to find something to believe in ! I am now a non believer, although I do have opinions - I just don't hold onto them.

wicketkeeper said:

Do we live in two intertwining dream worlds ? Some view the physical realm as the 'real' world and the sleeping(dream) realm as the lesser of the two.

My current opinion is that both realms are important. I often look forward to my rest periods and to see what unfolds. But the strange thing is I am not remembering my dreams, although of late I have began to recall bits and pieces of my dream experience.

I do need to be present when I leave my bed because I am guilty of sleepwalking my way through my waking hours. If I do this then I think I will remember more from my sleeping dream world.

A final few words on the content of my sleeping dream world is that my dreams tend to be boring ! My wife has amazingly vivid and exciting dreams where she encounters aliens, vampires and other worldly beings ! I often have to wake her up because she is in distress, I do this gently and am well practised at waking her up safely.

i look forward to hearing from you and maybe we can make this a lively thread !

Blessings to you all.

PS A few years ago I dreamt of being abducted by what appeared to be an alien type craft, but when I became more aware of the dream I found myself in a military type hospital setting. This could have been a MILABS - Military Abductions.

Other keywords are screen dream and lucid dreams.

Further question: Have you dreamt of your departed loved ones ? Includes pets.

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It is probably true that dreams have importance. they body generally does not do things that have no usefulness to it. However, as far as has been determined, each person's dreams are his own, and not "intertwined" with anything except perhaps his own psychological make-up. It may be that the actual content of the dreams has no real value, and it is only the brain working on issues. Open to scientific discovery.

Milton Platt said:

However, as far as has been determined, each person's dreams are his own, and not "intertwined" with anything except perhaps his own psychological make-up.

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I have heard multiple anecdotal stories that would seem to contradict this. How can anyone determine they can't be intertwined? My opinion is that this is just another case of science's reach being too short.

George-ananda said:

I have heard multiple anecdotal stories that would seem to contradict this. How can anyone determine they can't be intertwined? My opinion is that this is just another case of science's reach being too short.

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Well, I have no burden of proof here. If they are intertwined, then show the evidence....and please omit the anecdotal. I can show you anecdotal evidence of alien abduction, witches, and all manner of things. Big deal.

Milton Platt said:

Well, I have no burden of proof here. If they are intertwined, then show the evidence....and please omit the anecdotal. I can show you anecdotal evidence of alien abduction, witches, and all manner of things. Big deal.

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A body of anecdotal evidence carefully considered can tell us things about reality. Observation can precede scientific understanding.

Physical science must move slowly and should at this time be agnostic on the question of intertwined dreams as it can not investigate anecdotal claims at this time. But my personal beliefs are based not just on physical science but also on my objective analysis of human experiences.

George-ananda said:

A body of anecdotal evidence carefully considered can tell us things about reality. Observation can precede scientific understanding.

Physical science must move slowly and should at this time be agnostic on the question of intertwined dreams as it can not investigate anecdotal claims at this time. But my personal beliefs are based not just on physical science but also on my objective analysis of human experiences.

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But it is not understanding and cannot be used to pronounce things as factual. I am not saying they are not, I am saying that with only anecdotal evidence, we have no footing to make pronouncements.

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But it is not understanding and cannot be used to pronounce things as factual. I am not saying they are not, I am saying that with only anecdotal evidence, we have no footing to make pronouncements.

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I am saying I believe phenomena X is highly likely to exist based on my objective analysis of a body of anecdotal evidence and the argumentation from all sides. I am not pronouncing anything proved.

Going back in time to a nightmare that really scared me ! I was, say 23, and had just moved back in at my mum's because she and dad were having marital problems. My dad was not a well man, and my mum could not see this, but that is enough of that apart from saying they divorced after 42 years of marriage !

The nightmare even had a menacing atmosphere and I was glad to get out ! Get out of where I hear you say ?

I entered a darkly lit cave and stopped when I reached what I would describe as a oblong shaped stone which was about 4 foot high. I felt it was used as a sacrificial altar. Behind me where three figures, I couldn't really make them out because they appeared to fade out when I looked at them, but they were robed. On the other side of the oblong slab was a figure dressed in a monks robe with a hood, and when I looked closer I could not see a face but complete darkness. Behind him was where the cave ended, my attention was directed to three pyramid shaped cut outs and in each cut out there where three tiny figures all dancing in front of a fire. Sounds weird and it was. I did not like how I felt and forced myself to wake up ! Thankfully I have never experienced such a nightmare again.

I had a friend, Faith, who was a white witch and she had wanyed me to join her as she told me I was destined to be a warlock ! I politely declined the offer although she did give me a book of spells, which I didn't bother reading. I don't think I'd seen Faith for a few years, she may have gone back to Scotland. In those days I did have some very strange friends.

Any thoughts on the nightmare folks ?

wicketkeeper said:

Do we live in two intertwining dream worlds ? Some view the physical realm as the 'real' world and the sleeping(dream) realm as the lesser of the two.

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Some people are good with their faith like that. Faith in the physical realm as 'real' with literally nothing to back that up.

My current opinion is that both realms are important. I often look forward to my rest periods and to see what unfolds. But the strange thing is I am not remembering my dreams, although of late I have began to recall bits and pieces of my dream experience.

I do need to be present when I leave my bed because I am guilty of sleepwalking my way through my waking hours. If I do this then I think I will remember more from my sleeping dream world.

A final few words on the content of my sleeping dream world is that my dreams tend to be boring ! My wife has amazingly vivid and exciting dreams where she encounters aliens, vampires and other worldly beings ! I often have to wake her up because she is in distress, I do this gently and am well practised at waking her up safely.

i look forward to hearing from you and maybe we can make this a lively thread !

Blessings to you all.

PS A few years ago I dreamt of being abducted by what appeared to be an alien type craft, but when I became more aware of the dream I found myself in a military type hospital setting. This could have been a MILABS - Military Abductions.

Other keywords are screen dream and lucid dreams.

Further question: Have you dreamt of your departed loved ones ? Includes pets.

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If you want to remember night dreams more vividly, keep a notebook by you and write stuff down. May take a few weeks before this really becomes habitual, but when it does, you can look back years later and realize the experience you had was as vivid as anything you did say yesterday (in the physical realm).

Lucid night dreaming is interesting. I dabbled in that for awhile, but essentially got lazy with it.

I personally feel like I dream every single night, but currently am not taking notes, so I rarely retain those experiences. I do understand them as (actual) experiences, with what I see as no actual consequences. I think that's ultimately true with the physical realm (daily life), but like night dreams, I'm not wanting to test that out just to see how much I've overcome any fears associated with that type of rhetoric. In night dreams, I'm pretty sure I don't want to do anything dangerous or put myself in situation where I believe I will for sure die (a physical death).

Regarding your last question, I do dream of my departed earthly father often enough. It'll usually include some aspect of him still being with me, living near me. Within the dream, I'm very convinced that I was mistaken of him passing away. I'll then upon waking take anywhere from a few seconds to (one time) up to an hour to remember that he did pass from the physical realm. Yet, because I have strong belief, I'd say understanding that departed people are actually closer to us than they ever could possibly be while in the physical realm, it's not like I have the dreams in way where upon waking I really miss the person. There's a little of that, but I fully understand what I identified as my earthly father is closer now with me than I generally perceived him to be while he was 'living on earth.'

Have had a couple dreams with pet that I/we had when I was growing up. That is more of a "I miss those past experiences" upon waking up, but with pets it's just different, for me. The dreams are a lot less interpersonal than the past experiences, so the dream does induce a little bit of longing for that pet, but usually that last a few hours or less for me.

Acim, many thanks for taking the time to share your thoughts about the dream world. I have been thinking about having a notebook and pencil to help me remember my dreams.

I have not dreamt about my dad or mum for a few years. My dad left his body in 2001 and my mother in 2006, and a few months after my mum had gone I had a dream where they showed up. Nice. As its been a while now maybe I'm due a visit from my folks and my pooch, who was my best friend and blessed me with 16 beautiful years. She was an advanced soul, not a bad bone in her body. I remember her chasing a cat and the cat stopped to face her, and she simply walked away !

I also think our departed ones are closer than when in the flesh. I have moments when I feel my dad is close. Not so with my mum, we were not that close. She had a hard Catholic upbringing and found it difficult to show any affection. Sad. I am now wanting to be in my bed asleep !

ha ! I didn't bring my note book to bed and I woke up midway through my sleep and said to myself I'll easy remember that ! ha, I forgot.

But there was a collision of energies in our bungalow, the kitchen to be precise. My wife was washing the dishes when she felt what she assumed to be me, but when she turned around no one was there !

I am of the opinion that there infinite levels of consciousness. Our bungalow is a hot spot of paranormal activity. Good thing we are former paranormal investigators.

Have you noticed yourself sleepwalking when awake ? What I mean is you do things without noticing what your doing. I sometimes go into another zone when on my scooter, yet I I never do anything wreckless !

Blessings to y'all.

Jurgen Ziewe written a few books, I have the book - Multidimensional Man. Here's a video where he is interviewed by Rick Archer.

Another blank ! I know I did have dreams last night, but cannot remember any.

Please feel free to tell us about your dreams or nightmares.
Lucid dreams too.
Re-accurring dreams.

I can confirm I did have dreams but once again I can't remember any. Tonight I will have a pad ready !

Another account of a strange encounter, this one is from around 1982/83. I woke up from a dream and slowly began getting out of bed, I sat on the edge of the bed and then I saw a sight which reminded me of the 'beam me up Scotty' from Star Trek. A being materialised in front of my eyes, I can't say what happened after that.

I have a theory that I had been abducted and they were returning me to my bedroom, and I managed to have some recall about the experience. I know that they have the capability of altering dreams, sometimes called 'screen dreams'. 'They' being either off planet beings or the MILAB crew.

Of course I could have dreamt the whole thing.............but I know I was awake when I saw the Star Trek Incident !

wicketkeeper said:

I can confirm I did have dreams but once again I can't remember any. Tonight I will have a pad ready !

Another account of a strange encounter, this one is from around 1982/83. I woke up from a dream and slowly began getting out of bed, I sat on the edge of the bed and then I saw a sight which reminded me of the 'beam me up Scotty' from Star Trek. A being materialised in front of my eyes, I can't say what happened after that.

I have a theory that I had been abducted and they were returning me to my bedroom, and I managed to have some recall about the experience. I know that they have the capability of altering dreams, sometimes called 'screen dreams'. 'They' being either off planet beings or the MILAB crew.

Of course I could have dreamt the whole thing.............but I know I was awake when I saw the Star Trek Incident !

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These things are far out but not as far out as they were in 1982. I don't know enough about your case, but I like what the very respected Dr. John Mack who studied this phenomena had to say and it was something to the effect of; I believe to understand this (abduction/encounter) phenomena we have to realize there may not be the sharp boarders between what we call real and imagination.

I believe something can be real but not fully within our normal three-dimensional reality.

George-ananda said:

These things are far out but not as far out as they were in 1982. I don't know enough about your case, but I like what the very respected Dr. John Mack who studied this phenomena had to say and it was something to the effect of; I believe to understand this (abduction/encounter) phenomena we have to realize there may not be the sharp boarders between what we call real and imagination.

I believe something can be real but not fully within our normal three-dimensional reality.

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Dr John Mack, I totally agree with you. He was brave in doing what he did. I will return later with a few more names who have researched the subject of UFOs & abductions.

A lady, Mary Rodwell, from Australia has done great work in this field. She has set up an agency who helps people who have been abducted.

More to follow.

An earlier abduction experience:

I was about 5. It was a regular occurrence, weekly. I would be taken up and into a craft and was given piggy backs up and down a set of stairs, wait for it, by a group of sasquatch type beings. It was fun and I was never scared.

Now what was a group of sasquatch beings doing on board a space craft ?! People often dismiss Big Foot sightings, and people wrongly believe them to be dumb - they are not. One reason, major reason for Big Foot not being captured is that they always stay one, two or three steps ahead of humans.

Now folk may say I'm a nutter, so be it. I know my own truth.

Here is Mary's group.
http://members.iinet.net.au/~starline/

A friend of mine, Ellis C Taylor is also worth checking up on, he knows Mary Rodwell.
https://ellisctaylor.com/

So we have Waking Reality, and often times we sleepwalk through these alleged waking hours. Next we have our Sleep World of Dreams. And maybe there is a 'place' where both the Waking Reality & our Sleep World of Dreams meet ? What says you dear reader ? Now we move onto mental illness, and I have a theory that a person who has schizophrenia is entering other 'realities'. I have worked in the mental health field and I have been told amazing accounts by people labelled schizophrenics. Mull it over, even if you still say its nonsense. Another level of 'reality' is your very own Reality Tunnel. I think RA Wilson coined that phrase.

Ladies and gents, MI5/6, GCHQ, NSA, I shall now bid you farewell.

TBC(to be continued)

wicketkeeper said:

What says you dear reader ?

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The time is ripe for a more advanced understanding of reality than that given to us by materialist science and some people are on the leading edge of the curve.

George-ananda said:

The time is ripe for a more advanced understanding of reality than that given to us by materialist science and some people are on the leading edge of the curve.

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Indeed George, we are being kept in the dark by materialist scientists. There are a few trustworthy scientists who are ignored by the materialist scientists, Rupert Sheldrake is worthy of checking out, also Peter Russell and Graham Hancock who offer a different view of things.

My Monday dreams were boring, and I have vague memories of them. None are worth speaking about !