Koldo
Outstanding Member
Are you conflating 'natural' with 'normal' ?
Let me stop you right at the first line.
What evidence do you have for 'Zoophilia and pedophilia, as well as transexualism, are a result of abuse from childhood' ?
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Are you conflating 'natural' with 'normal' ?
Let me stop you right at the first line.
What evidence do you have for 'Zoophilia and pedophilia, as well as transexualism, are a result of abuse from childhood' ?
MountainPine
Deuteronomy 30:16
No I am not. I don't see how it's worth my time to argue with someone who insists that humans are apes, because it assumes you believe in evolution, thus this conversation will eventually lead into a debate about evolution, and I don't want to go there because it's so stupid.
I don't play the evidence game anymore. Every time I cite a source to my opponents, they always reject them because it doesn't agree with their bias. If you want to verify this you can find sources by doing a Google search, and most people who use the internet know this. If you are actually interested in the evidence then you would be looking it up right now on Google instead of asking me for the evidence. But apparently you aren't. You'd just rather continue arguing and then claim that I'm stupid and ignorant because I'm not giving you what you're asking for.
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Your loss. Young earth creationism is intellectually bankrupt and ascientific. But anyway the rest of my post isn't about taxonomy.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
I have a brain impairment that impairs empathy and my ability to comprehend and function in social situations. I see nothing unnatural of my existence.
Your Creator can go bugger himself if he thinks anyone who is born as nature wrote is unnatural.
Apes are very civilized, and they are far more pacifist and benevolent than we are, and in my opinion, more noble than we are. They live in harmony, we live in destruction.
MountainPine
Deuteronomy 30:16
Destruction is not our nature. Humanity's violence is caused by thousands of years of social influences and indoctrination. It's not our nature. Don't confuse nature with nurture.
You don't see any wrong with it because your brain is impaired, as you claim. Go figure.
Congratulations! You've made my ignored list!
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
When you look out into the world, observations state otherwise.
"Thousands of years of social influence" would mean we are socially and culturally conditioned and influenced by the Romans, but we are not. Each culture, each generation even, brings in it's own new influences and norms of conformity. But people, as a whole, still have general tendencies, one of which is violence. Violence is entirely independent upon culture.
Just because it's impaired in some areas doesn't mean it's a total loss. Those with Asperger's are known for having various positive traits, such as a grasp of logic, making judgements that aren't based on personal feelings, brutal honesty, noticing patterns, and having a unique perspective on the world and often noticing things that others miss. But it is diagnosed primarily by poor social functioning, understandings, and even social failings. But, honestly, who doesn't have some sort of weakness that others pick up with ease. I'm rather proud of saying I pick up on math way easier than others, and firmly grasp and understand science. I am also a creative Aspies (women with Aspergers are usually more creative than men with Asperger's, and they typically also better writers). So, even though I'm "unnatural," I can enjoy life embracing aspects of Apollo and Dionysus (I also like philosophy), and can gather empirical data for research (and occasionally look under a microscope which is always thrilling) by day and rock 'n roll and party by night.
Koldo
Outstanding Member
I am afraid I haven't found anything that comes even close to substantiating your claim. If you provide any source, I will read.
And I am still interesting in knowing why you conflate 'natural' with 'normal'. Please do elaborate on that.
MountainPine
Deuteronomy 30:16
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
More recent research looked into children who transition, and found them to be very well off, having very few of the problems that those who transitioned later in life have. And I don't know of anyone who "encourages" a transgender identity.
MountainPine
Deuteronomy 30:16
I only saw your response because I clicked "Show Ignored Content." You truly are wasting your time, I mean it. You'll never convince me of anything, especially after you've shown me your approval of pedophilia and your hatred for God. Just so you know more recent "research" is based on liberal propaganda and is not science. Goodbye Shadow Wolf.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
Except I never actually said either of those things.
Whatever, you won't see this anyways. You'd rather just cover your eyes and stick your fingers up your ears.
Except, these things didn't happen. I've been reading Shadow's posts for years and neither is even close to true.
I am assuming that what is really going on here is that you are not able to explain why your understanding of the issue is better. So you believe something that isn't true, rather than re-examine your own understanding.
It seems to be something that religious people are taught to do, as I see it happen more often amongst the religious people than most other people.
Tom
For centuries, the RCC has looked at things it doesn't understand as ''sins.'' This is nothing new. I think that the RCC has much beauty within it, I grew up Catholic, but the doctrine that it preaches, it doesn't speak for all Christians, or for Christianity as a whole, and I wish the mainstream media would stop announcing this stuff as if the Vatican speaks for all Christians.
Your cognitive bias is just staggering.
MountainPine
Deuteronomy 30:16
Since you don't have a religion, why are you on a religious forum anyway? It doesn't make any sense why atheists and agnostics would be on here, especially debating on subjects that pertain to LBGT when they know very well that religious people, especially those of the Abrahamic faiths, see it as immoral and perverse. What do you hope to accomplish? To persuade people to change their minds and become more accepting of others? If so, you're wasting your time. Tolerance is not a Biblical teaching. In fact it teaches not to be a friend to the world (James 4:4) and to be separated from sinners (1 Corinthians 5:11-13, 2 Corinthians 6:14-15, 2 Thessalonians 3:6, 2 John 1:9-11).
As for Shadow Wolf, she was justifying pedophilia by saying it was natural. Even if she didn't say he approved of it, she implied it very well in his wording. Secular groups say homosexuality must be tolerated and accepted in society because it's natural. By that logic, saying that pedophilia and zoophilia are natural means it must be accepted.
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Take a look at what RF is, as opposed to what it was named a decade ago when Rex first put it online. Tolerance is a major feature.
By the local cultural standards, which Rex and I are both good with, tolerance is a virtue. You seem to be the person out of place.
So why are you here?
Not that I am suggesting that you leave. I am quite confident that my beliefs will survive the clash with others. Without people like you I would have much less reason to come here.
Tom
MountainPine
Deuteronomy 30:16
I'm well aware with the forum mission and it's rules. It is not like I'm going out of my way to preach intolerance to the point of offending people and attacking them, at least not intentionally.
Exactly, by cultural standards. I'm not and never will be conformed with our society's culture, and I strongly disagree that tolerance is a virtue. I actually see it a vice. If you want to know why that is, then read this article that I wrote.
I originally came here to promote a book for Christians on how the God requires abstinence from meat, and to persuade some people that the Bible doesn't really condone the violence that it is alleged to. However, sometimes I stray from my purpose for being here because threads like this one draw my attention and I feel the urge to join in on them. Maybe I should stop doing that, because I tend to get carried away.
I don't want to speak for @Shadow Wolf. She can do fine for herself.
The problem is that people want to say that homosexuality is wrong because it is unnatural. When the "Ancient people claiming to speak for God didn't like homosex, so they put a law into their legal code" argument fails, they trot out the "it's unnatural " argument.
That argument is bogus on multiple levels. For one thing, animals do it sometimes. Not often, and almost always under odd circumstances. For another thing, most immoral behavior is pretty natural. Killing for personal reasons, from food to territory to access to breeding females, is very common instinctive behavior. What is unnatural is putting limits on killing and enforcing them with punishment ranging from incarceration to execution.
Natural behavior is the root of most evil, from rape to theft to murder. Learning to live a moral life is unnatural behavior. Animals don't do that much. Only people do. Our ability to learn that is the main thing that sets us apart from the killer apes we evolved from.
Another "natural" behavior is to reproduce until the carrying capacity of the environment collapses. We human beings are rapidly headed for the Big Die Off. Gay people, and anybody else who doesn't contribute to that, are behaving in the more moral fashion than the people who procreate irresponsibly. I really don't think that ancient people, who didn't even know where babies come from, are any moral authority at all.
Tom
What I meant was the RF culture.
I've been a member of many other forums. This one is the most willing to protect unpopular views.
Tom
MountainPine
Deuteronomy 30:16
Your comment is laughable. The opposite is true. Evil and malevolent behavior is unnatural, and morality is natural for humans.
This sounds like a lame excuse to justify homosexuality. One can abstain from contributing to irresponsible procreation without being gay. I'm one of them. I'm almost 29, and I'm still a virgin and will be for the rest of my life.