The Conservative Split?

Wishing to get fellow conservative opinions only, and is why I posted this in "Conservative Only" section.

I listend to (conservative) talk radio, but not exclusively. Some radio hosts I like and not able to think of any I actively dislike, but there are some I relate to more than others.

Anyway, was listening to Levine last night who was making point I've hard a couple times in recent months - that conservatives need to stop paying attention to cable TV news. While his point might be something I'm not picking up on, the way I'm hearing this is that conservatives need to stop supporting/watching Fox News. Again, this wouldn't be the first time I've had that conveyed to me.

I'm wondering what the logic is there? And wondering if they is anyone here that goes along with that? Mostly wondering the justification and how it plays into 'being a better conservative' type rhetoric.

Acim said:

Wishing to get fellow conservative opinions only, and is why I posted this in "Conservative Only" section.

I listend to (conservative) talk radio, but not exclusively. Some radio hosts I like and not able to think of any I actively dislike, but there are some I relate to more than others.

Anyway, was listening to Levine last night who was making point I've hard a couple times in recent months - that conservatives need to stop paying attention to cable TV news. While his point might be something I'm not picking up on, the way I'm hearing this is that conservatives need to stop supporting/watching Fox News. Again, this wouldn't be the first time I've had that conveyed to me.

I'm wondering what the logic is there? And wondering if they is anyone here that goes along with that? Mostly wondering the justification and how it plays into 'being a better conservative' type rhetoric.

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I haven't listened to Mark in awhile, but have quite naturally done what he is recommending. Two of my favorite sites have been so Anti-Trump, for so long, I simply stopped spending much time there. I don't even particularly like Trump, but think the outright vilification ON THE RIGHT is akin to lunacy, especially now that he is officially the Republican candidate. Like, get over it already.

The chips have fallen, get behind him.
That said, I can't help but wonder if this a very elaborate ploy quietly orchestrated by the Trumpites from the get-go. I don't know maybe Trump and his people are playing the pundits more expertly than they realize.

For news, I look at a variety of sources now and then without regularly following any specific ones. All major sources will have their issues, specifics depending on who is throwing money their way. Just how it is. Fox isn't worse than it's big competitors.

Sees said:

For news, I look at a variety of sources now and then without regularly following any specific ones. All major sources will have their issues, specifics depending on who is throwing money their way. Just how it is. Fox isn't worse than it's big competitors.

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I don't watch any of them, nor have I for several years.

In regards to Ted Cruz, some may not be aware but yes, there was a tremendous battle between the (minority) religious fanatics represented by Cruz and his followers, and the Nationalists (majority) represented by Trump. It had to be navigated carefully without a "purge" and with keeping the loyalities as much as possible from many great Americacs who have been misled by those who want a theocratic state. I did my part in my own small way, I csn tell you the battles behind the scenes and on Republican forums was vicious and viciousness went in both directions, a sort if war perhaps.

In the end, the Nationalists won, but there were some attempts to heal wounds. Then Cruz hung himself.

Ted "They hung him twice" Cruz is now over. He was hung in the nomination. And he was hung again at the convention. Trump knew prior what Cruz was going to say. Trump was gracious in giving Cruz such a major keynote, major coverage, and an entire 30 minutes to say anything he wanted.

Cruz the fanatic he did what myself and so many figured he would do. He gave the rope, put it on his neck. And yes, the delegates kicked the chair from under him.

But really, he hung himself.

The man who they hung twice.

He is finished. And the religious fanatics are being shown the back door out. Get lost. Rafael Cruz is a madman.

Mark Levin is gone. Watch him "fade away". He made more than a big mistake. He is as selfish and self-absorbed as Cruz. He was never number one.

Savage is number one. And has been for a long time. Yes, the voice of a savage.

The tigers are coming.

Hey, I just got done watching I won't even watch the Democrat Convention. I was so impressed and you can definitely count me as a conservative who likes the Republicans more. I'm backing Donald Trump. I might start a thread about how to stop HIllary if you'd like.

Also, FYI my ebook is hopefully receiving it's last editing and it will cost about $6. I'm hoping to advertise it where I can.

But to answer your question, however politically I've bent I would try to watch the opposition to exercise discernment and watch my side when I want talking points. Also, I would like to add that I think FOX NEWS has moved closer to the center recently and probably CNN too with its worldwide audience although most recently it seems like all they cover is shooting, terrorism and elections.

Acim said:

I'm wondering what the logic is there? And wondering if they is anyone here that goes along with that? Mostly wondering the justification and how it plays into 'being a better conservative' type rhetoric.

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I think the logic is simply this: conservatives think! Cable news might be fine but it will never replace one's ability to think for oneself. For me the justification is that I know what type of conservative I am and therefore I do not have to follow any figure or channel if it does not align with my beliefs, what I know, or even my intuition. Being a better conservative, in my opinion, means knowing what type of conservative you are and being consistent about it regardless of what any other conservative's views are.

In the Western world the conservatives have fully split. The old conservatives are Bible thumpers and big bank pawns. They generally have no will nor power beyond empty rhetoric.

The new conservatives are a mix of libertarianism and social Darwinism. Some are still Nationalists. They are the future of the movement and are far more capable and focused than the old Conservatives could ever dream of.

All the replies help with what I was asking, help me understand things a bit better. I get there is a split, as I split (sort of) from the Pub party in the 1990's. For me, then, it was not being able to go along with neocons.

But still not getting the reason to tune out to a particular news agency/political commentary organization. I get the personal decision, but not the advocation of that. It comes across as - I or we are the only true conservatives, and thus if anything one holds disagrees with what they are espousing, suddenly that is to be shunned? Even with that in play, I'd be like based on what exactly? Let's have that discussion. Let's see how well you truly hold up in making your rational assertions. If you stumble (even once), are you then too to be shunned?

When I watched all 17 Pubs during the recent primaries, I could see things in each that I didn't like, couldn't necessarily support. For me, the 'shunning' would only amount to not voting for them as leader, but not labeling them as non-conservative or not 'really' conservative. To do that with fellow conservatives is taking a huge leap, I think. Seems to then become a competition of sorts of who can be the most (militant) conservative.

And in case any liberals are lurking, I see the same thing on that side of the aisle occurring. I think Bernie helped make it a lot more visible how there is a split on that side, with liberals coming out and saying they could never support Hillary. That makes sense to me (in same way some conservatives may say they could never vote for Trump). But to then go after all supporters and shun them based on notion of 'we hold the true vision' is, IMO, short sighted. Would seem that at some point, you'd have to realize that the same thing could be done to own position, whereby whatever candidate you think is best suited for elected position is disliked and then all those that dislike that candidate shun the supporters, namely you.

It's as if we are saying a divided house can, somehow, magically stand. And be seen as welcoming.

I'm a bit more conspiratorial, but I can't help but think democrats send over "agents" aka RHINOS to sabotage the Republican party and create an unfavourable light on its policies and philosophies.

People do say both parties seem to be mirror images of each other, that seems a bit red flaggish to me.

I think division was the intention, for which Trump, in spite of his demeanor, is upsetting entrenched RHINOS. A purge.

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I don't watch any of them, nor have I for several years.

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Back in the 70s, when I was still in high school, I realized what a waste of time broadcast news is.

I found that I got ten times the information in the same amount of time with a stack of print media. Newspapers, magazines, books, pamphlets, I found all of that vastly more efficient than any TV or radio.
And it didn't vanish. If I read something that seemed questionable, I could look up information from other sources. If I heard a story that contradicted what I remembered from a previous one, I could dig the original out of the stack and reread it along side the newer one. I didn't see why anybody who could read bothered with TV news shows.
Then, along came the internet! I could surf world news, for free, while coffee was brewing in the morning. Without even putting on clothes, I could read the news from Bombay to Moscow to Brazil to Chicago, to Great Britain.
And there were links! I didn't have to take someone's word for the accuracy of reportage, they gave links to more original sources. At least, if they wanted to be taken seriously.
And if anything important was reported by the talking heads on Fox or MSNBC or whatever, it would be all over the real news. And it is easier to sort the bias by reading a report about the same thing from multiple sources. If BBC, Aljazeera, NYT, and Bombay Times all agreed on something, it is probably true.
I don't understand why people who care about being informed waste time watching "the news".
Tom

Well, I mostly identify with the alt-right. A lot of conservatives today just can't keep up with the times and want to hold on to things and ideas that no longer exist.

Maponos said:

Well, I mostly identify with the alt-right. A lot of conservatives today just can't keep up with the times and want to hold on to things and ideas that no longer exist.

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Is this top notch deep irony?

"Conservative people need to get progressive"?

I have trouble with all these labels myself. If someone thinks RoevWade needs to remain as it is, and has been for nearly half a century, isn't that a conservative attitude?
Tom

columbus said:

Is this top notch deep irony?

"Conservative people need to get progressive"?

I have trouble with all these labels myself. If someone thinks RoevWade needs to remain as it is, and has been for nearly half a century, isn't that a conservative attitude?
Tom

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Well, as a deep appreciator of irony myself, I hate to say it isn't.

Most conservatives I'm aware of yearn for 'returning' to something. The problem is, there is nothing to return to, per se. The only direction is forwards, so one must be able to have one's traditions evolve with time or risk becoming outdated.

Acim said:

Wishing to get fellow conservative opinions only, and is why I posted this in "Conservative Only" section.

I listend to (conservative) talk radio, but not exclusively. Some radio hosts I like and not able to think of any I actively dislike, but there are some I relate to more than others.

Anyway, was listening to Levine last night who was making point I've hard a couple times in recent months - that conservatives need to stop paying attention to cable TV news. While his point might be something I'm not picking up on, the way I'm hearing this is that conservatives need to stop supporting/watching Fox News. Again, this wouldn't be the first time I've had that conveyed to me.

I'm wondering what the logic is there? And wondering if they is anyone here that goes along with that? Mostly wondering the justification and how it plays into 'being a better conservative' type rhetoric.

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I'm generally conservative in economic and social views, I think Fox has at least contributed somewhat, to balancing the extreme historic liberal bias in main stream media, so I don't think that's a bad thing. But yes, I think conservatives are generally more independent, skeptical of mass media, politics, academia, any institutionalized group think. So it's healthy to remember to always make the effort to look around at other sources, and not fall into that same mass indoctrination trap of the left. Fox's perspective can always change