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Sugar Addictions (Help)

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
If anyone lives to be a supercentenarian, it isn't because of bacon and eggs, as everyone knows—including those who eat it every morning—that these "foods" are toxic. Don't insult my intelligence by telling me that eating greasy foods that are high in saturated fat and cholesterol will add years to my life. Supercentenarians are very few and far between. What about everyone else? I tell you what, do away with modern medicine and we'll see who lives longer.
https://www.bluezones.com/resources/books/
It's a book about the cultures who consistently produce the longest living people. One of the common traits is the eat meat sparingly. And one common trait that overlaps into the 116 year old lady who says she eats bacon and eggs every morning is staying active. A long life has many variables behind it, including things we can control like diet and exercise, but also things we can't such as environment and genetics. I even remember some show years ago that features some really old guy who eats (perhaps ate by now) a Twinkie every day, but he was also working well into old age.
 

Penumbra

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Thanks for all your help guys, but I don't really need to see a doctor or a dietitian. The last two mornings I have been eating fruit salad for breakfast and it seems to be keeping my sugar craving at bay. I just wasn't eating enough fruit.

With all due respect, vegans are the healthiest people on the planet if they're eating sufficient greens and fruits.
Evidence indicates that a variety of diets can be optimal for human health, with no single diet being perfect.

None of the "blue zones"- the longest lived places on the planet, are vegan, and only one of them is fully vegetarian. The other blue zones have decent intake of fish, and at least some meat. Vegan diets have not been studied over generations to prove healthiness, and when they are studied, they do show some nutrient deficiencies on a statistical level, along with some health benefits. An interesting study showed that among people who buy their food at health stores, omnivores and vegetarians showed no difference in health outcomes, and both were far healthier than the general population. Another study (here's a link) performed on 77,000 seventh day adventists showed that the pescetarian adventists (those that were vegetarian + seafood) had far lower levels of colorectal cancer than vegan adventists.

A lot of people seem to fall into a pattern of adopting a diet and then proclaiming that this diet is the best. I understand the temptation to do it, and have been inclined myself to do it when I've spent time as vegetarian, vegan, pescetarian, omnivore, etc. but in reality the subject of diet is a very complex, nuanced thing, with multiple peaks for ethics, sustainability, and nutrition. No matter what our diet is, it's useful to be vigilant for possible nutritional deficiencies, especially if it's a restrictive diet.

You shouldn't be recommending seafood to vegans, especially bivalves. Bivalves are filter feeders, which means you are eating the crap that they ate to filter their habitat.
That's actually a common misconception about bivalves. That's a topic you might want to look more into.

The filter in plankton and other sources of food, and then filter them out. Unless there is an acute problem in the local water, such as an algae bloom, shellfish are considered very safe for consumption with low levels of measured toxins compared to many other types of seafood and food in general. No pesticides, gmos, etc. either.

Also, there's actually been substantial discussion in vegan and vegetarian forums, websites, etc within the own community about certain bivalves, due to their lack of central nervous system, sustainable harvesting practices in many cases, and because they fill in some of the potential nutritional deficiencies of an otherwise vegan diet. There are actually arguments that eating bivalves in place of certain other food types, like grains, can result in fewer animal deaths, due to a lack of pesticides and other practices of agriculture (including organic agriculture) that kill bugs, fish,mice, snakes, and other small animals.

But to each their own.

They are far from being a source of any nutrition, except for B12 but how many people normally eat bivalves regularly?
Oyster Nutrition
-Oysters have basically the highest level of zinc of any food (188% RDA from 3 ounces of oysters), which is useful considering that some studies show vegans statistically have lower zinc levels. (Study 1, Study 2). Oysters are also extremely high in B12 (408%), Copper (112%), Selenium (187%), Iron, and Manganese, and decent for Riboflavin, Niacin, Phosphorous, Vitamin C, protein, and long-chain omega 3 fatty acids. .

Clam Nutrition
-Three ounces of clams provide 1400% RDA of B12. They're also high in iron, selenium, manganese, vitamin c, riboflavin, niacin, copper, phosphorous, protein, and decent with potassium and long-chain omega 3 fatty acids.

Mussel Nutrition
The link provides the info, but again, extremely high in B12, long-chain omega 3 fatty acids, and a host of other nutrients that could fill a short paragraph.

In comparison, a healthy food like broccoli is high in vitamin k1 and vitamin c, and not a whole lot else. Even kale, a commonly cited superfood, is only high in about 4 nutrients (vitamins a, c, and k1, plus manganese). Further, the types of nutrients that vegetables and fruits are low in tend to be the ones that bivalves are high in, which is why just a few ounces per week makes a good combo to an otherwise plant-based diet.

Anyone who eats an omnivorous diet is just as at risk for a B12 deficiency as any vegan, but no one ever discusses the B12 issue with the former. It is only ever brought up with vegans and vegetarians. What actually causes a B12 deficiency are intestinal disorders, like Crohn's disease, or liver damage from excessive alcohol consumption. Being a vegan will not cause a B12 deficiency. In fact, the more ROS you have in your body, the less likely your body will use the B12 you consume anyway. So it's important to consume antioxidants in which vegans get more of in their daily diets.
Multiple studies have shown vegetarians and vegans as a statistical group having lower measured levels of B12 than the general population.
Example sources: 1, 2.

But again, to each their own. My goal was to help and provide some info rather than debate.
 

Luciferi Baphomet

Lucifer, is my Liberator
I am heavily addicted to sugar and in dire need of some advice to kick my addiction. It has gotten so out of hand that I find myself eating homemade cake frosting for snack. I have tried eating fruit whenever I had a sugar craving, but it's not working. As a vegan, my diet is healthy—and I'm not overweight or have any health problems—but the sugar cravings are interfering with my ascetic principles and lifestyle. If you can offer me some advice to kick my cravings, big thanks to you!
You must have a sweet tooth like me. I tend to eat sweets when I am on the 1 monthy thing if you know what I am talking about.
 

Brian Schuh

Well-Known Member
I have an addiction to oxygen. I mean, I never can predict when I start breathing and can't control or stop breathing once I start. Sometimes I quit and believe I'm making progress, but only to pass out and when I wake up, I have already relapsed.

I have an addiction to vitamin C. Every time I quit using vitamin C, I develop withdrawal. It looks like scurvy.

The deadly facts about water.
1. Every felon committed their crime under the influence of water.
2. Every person who has drunk water, will die.
3. Water is necessary for the process of enriching uranium to make nuclear bombs.
4. Water is necessary for manufacturing crystal meth.

Get the point? Same with your sugar addiction.
 

Deidre

Well-Known Member
Try to gradually reduce intake rather than trying to quit abruptly. Your body will adjust with time.
This, and you don't have to give up sugar entirely, just really lower the intake, and every now and then, indulge in something small but sweet. Find a good workout program, and eat a good combination of lean protein/good fats/low carb and eventually, you won't crave all that sugar so much. :)
 

MrMrdevincamus

Voice Of The Martyrs Supporter
I have a seriously addictive behavior and can become addicted to anything that feels good. Demons demons and more demons that whisper, "come on, just one little bite won't hurt you"..."Hissssssss......" lol..... I admire everyone that fighting any type of addiction, God bless all of you.....
 

MrMrdevincamus

Voice Of The Martyrs Supporter
MountainPine said:
I am heavily addicted to sugar and in dire need of some advice to kick my addiction. It has gotten so out of hand that I find myself eating homemade cake frosting for snack. I have tried eating fruit whenever I had a sugar craving, but it's not working. As a vegan, my diet is healthy—and I'm not overweight or have any health problems—but the sugar cravings are interfering with my ascetic principles and lifestyle. If you can offer me some advice to kick my cravings, big thanks to you!

We are like minded souls! Hey...eating frosting isn't so sick! I do that too but have to have peanut butter with it..... I am not making fun of you but trying to laugh with you. The best way I have found to lose weight or do a Gym program is to talk a friend into doing a change with me....
 

DawudTalut

Peace be upon you.
I am heavily addicted to sugar and in dire need of some advice to kick my addiction. It has gotten so out of hand that I find myself eating homemade cake frosting for snack. I have tried eating fruit whenever I had a sugar craving, but it's not working. As a vegan, my diet is healthy—and I'm not overweight or have any health problems—but the sugar cravings are interfering with my ascetic principles and lifestyle. If you can offer me some advice to kick my cravings, big thanks to you!
1=Update?
2=Evere checked diabetes?
 

Ana.J

Active Member
I am heavily addicted to sugar and in dire need of some advice to kick my addiction. It has gotten so out of hand that I find myself eating homemade cake frosting for snack. I have tried eating fruit whenever I had a sugar craving, but it's not working. As a vegan, my diet is healthy—and I'm not overweight or have any health problems—but the sugar cravings are interfering with my ascetic principles and lifestyle. If you can offer me some advice to kick my cravings, big thanks to you!
I would advise you to substitute sugar with fruits, honey and stevia. This will still give you the sweetness of life, but with no harm to your health.
 

McBell

Resident Sourpuss
I meant to say that my diet is healthy apart from the sugar. I eat an adequate amount of fruit, vegetables, and grains everyday. My biggest sugar source, though, is putting a handful of organic cane sugar in my tea, in which I have been drinking 2-3 cups a day lately. I'm not just hooked on sugar, but also caffeine (from the tea).
Is it the sugar itself you are addicted to or the sweet?

I know it may sound silly, but I once thought I was addicted to sugar only to realize that it was not sugar i was addicted to, but the sweetness of the sugar.

Through a lot of trial and error I have found that instead of four cups of sugar per gallon of ise tea, i can put a quarter cup of sugar and a cup of Stevia and get the same sweetness but with far less actual sugar.

It is not ideal, perhaps, but it has dropped my A1C from 14 to 7.6.


OASN:
i recently found out that there are all manner of foods that break down into sugar.
So I am now avoiding them as much as possible as well.
 
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