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Why do bad things happen when God exists?
- Thread starter AiR
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You are entitled to your opinion, of course.
muhammad_isa
Well-Known Member
No .. Almighty God created the jinn and mankind. Iblees was a pious jinn who mixed with the angels, and when God created mankind, Iblees felt he was superior and his pride caused him to become satan.
Almighty God is not involved with evil .. He is Holy .. He allows evil so as to test us, and that is all
ThePainefulTruth
Romantic-Cynic
ThePainefulTruth
Romantic-Cynic
And what's your alternative?
Bird123
Well-Known Member
What is the purpose of this physical world??? Is it really all about having it made? If this physical world exists for the education of God's children then perhaps it makes better sense.
Pain is no more than a signal something is wrong. The greater the pain translates into the greater the need to resolve the problem.
When times are good we sit back and enjoy the ride. When times are bad we have to think, plan, analyze, study and learn so much on the journey to solve the problem. I guess adversity does breed invention.
Death is no more than a change or an exit from the current lesson. If death were not frightening, people running from lessons would be killing themselves to exit when things got hard. Some lessons take work and time rather than easy.
Pain and suffering has limits. If there is too much pain, the human body goes into shock. People in shock have very little pain. The starving hurt worse at first when the body needs the food badly. People at the low end do not hurt so badly. In fact anorexic people will tell you that it actually hurts to eat when the body's resources are very low. That is because it takes energy to digest food. Finally,death does supply a limited lifespan. It is perhaps another limit on how much pain one could possibly endure.
People are free to make their choices. They can bring adversity to themselves through those choices.
Yes, this is a complex world. The dynamics are amazing. It will take much study to understand.
Yes, we should all Question God's every move. A Being capable of creating all this has to be very smart. Perhaps we will too when we understand all God's actions. To question is the start on the journey to Discovery. The only one's who do not want you to question are those who do not want you to know the Real Truth. To date, I have not seen God objecting to anyone questioning.
Salaam,
Allaah is all things. The Qur'aanic story of Iblees' 'Fall' is a story - a metaphor, if you will - about Iblees' separation from Allaah.
Wassalaam
I am now pretty confident which Voices are God's and which are Satan's (it did take me a while though). And some of the things I have seen, others with me have seen or experienced also. But the 'rational', 'scientific' part of me (I was brought up to think in a very rational way, and have a scientific background) is always probing, always questioning. And of course I have my very natural, very human anxieties and fears. Hence the doubts (which are becoming lesser and lesser as time goes on, but never completely go away).
Sorry? My alternative to what?
Quote: 1Jn_4:18 There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.
Blessings, AJ
Unfathomable Tao
Student of the Way
How many times do I have to point out though that all that says is that god CANNOT create choice without evil? Also, how does a deist verify that is the sole purpose of the universe? Has the deist god been handing out revelations lately?
ThePainefulTruth
Romantic-Cynic
As many times as it takes to convince yourself that creating choice is equivalent with creating evil, I suppose.
Because an omnipotent God could do anything else instantly, because It wouldn't have to be concerned with It's creations having knowledge of It's existence in any other scenario.
ThePainefulTruth
Romantic-Cynic
Wait a minute, I thought we were supposed to fear the Lord.
I think this is the exhaustive list of ways to reconcile the existence of "bad" (however we define it) with God:
- "bad" is in accordance with God's will
- "bad" is not in accordance with God's will, but somehow happens anyway
- God exists but has no will
- God does not exist
Because you're more moral than the God you believe in, but assume that he's more moral than you. This means that your experiences don't match your expectations.
Satan is the reason for evil!!
ThePainefulTruth
Romantic-Cynic
Yeah, we can call if Satan if we want, but people choosing to do evil over good is the reason for evil.
Unfathomable Tao
Student of the Way
I am not arguing that choice is equivalent with creating evil- you are. I am saying all you're saying is that god actually cannot create choice without evil. Such a being is weak.
ThePainefulTruth
Romantic-Cynic
Yet you then turn right around and say....
Man creates evil when he chooses it over good. Does God create good if man chooses that? Enabling creatures with the free will of moral choice, does not create good or evil, it is merely God bestowing the divine gift of free will. You and your spouse create a child who grows up to become a serial murderer, despite your lessons and example to the contrary. Did you create the evil he chose to do? No, you only created the person with an independent free will.
Unfathomable Tao
Student of the Way
Actually enabling moral choice that can result in evil makes god create evil by association.