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Do any animals recognize God's existence, believe or pray?
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Father Heathen
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I would say monogamy suggests holy spirits rather than spirits.
So what about humans who don't practice monogamy? Are they without a soul?
Also, I'm not sure how the Native American Zodiac correlates with monogamy, or Catholicism for that matter.
Palehorse
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No, they have souls. Their hearts beat like animals though (see redtube). When natives take an animal to eat, they eat the heart and offer tobacco to receive the spirit of the animal. Although I am Catholic I am also part German. Germans are tribal. Some Germans believe a native guides them throughout their life, espeacially in the spirit world. Sorta like the indian in the cupboard.
In India, Thailand, Cambodia, Italy, Japan, Ethiopia, China, Mexico, Louisiana, California, other places - there are elephants, snakes, rats, doves, birds, turtles, dogs, parrots, ravens, monkeys and such who have prayed or worshipped God or Goddess in temples and church. Now I suppose someone will ask for a URL or such, just believe me over my 60 years I have seen and heard the truth.
Yes, not only animals, but even insects, and even ghosts.
But there is one thing I find interesting. Deer show up in many religious art and symbols. Yet I have never seen or heard or read of an UNPOSSESSED deer praying or worshipping God(s).
However there have been children, toddlers, who soon after being born have done so.
Doves appear in front of Goddess, especially if Goddess is worshipped by children who see Her.
Snakes are very religious, actually
Yes, not only animals, but even insects, and even ghosts.
But there is one thing I find interesting. Deer show up in many religious art and symbols. Yet I have never seen or heard or read of an UNPOSSESSED deer praying or worshipping God(s).
However there have been children, toddlers, who soon after being born have done so.
Doves appear in front of Goddess, especially if Goddess is worshipped by children who see Her.
Snakes are very religious, actually
Rakovsky
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Dwila R. Funk takes the view that animals have souls in her book "Animals as Seen through God's Eyes". She writes that the story of the Ark in Genesis says the the Ark's
In Animals in Heaven- Fantasy or Reality, Arch Stanton argues that putting animals in heaven is no difficulty for God and that there is no serious reason for God not to do this, and concludes that God will put them in heaven.
In Thoughts Regarding the Future State of Animals, John Frewen Moor and Edith Carrington argue that God will bring animals to heaven.
In Heaven Is for Animals Too: Hope and Comfort for Believers and Skeptics, Melinda Cerisano argues something similar:
Thomas Aquinas writes on animal prayer in Commentary on the Sentences (the Sentences being a book by Peter Lombard). He takes the view that animals do not "pray":
In Animals in Heaven- Fantasy or Reality, Arch Stanton argues that putting animals in heaven is no difficulty for God and that there is no serious reason for God not to do this, and concludes that God will put them in heaven.
In Thoughts Regarding the Future State of Animals, John Frewen Moor and Edith Carrington argue that God will bring animals to heaven.
In Heaven Is for Animals Too: Hope and Comfort for Believers and Skeptics, Melinda Cerisano argues something similar:
Thomas Aquinas writes on animal prayer in Commentary on the Sentences (the Sentences being a book by Peter Lombard). He takes the view that animals do not "pray":
Rakovsky
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Prasanth Akurathi writes in Is Jesus Really God?
That story reminds me of this next one about a dog's love for its owner:
I am really confused how this story about tracing the owner to the hospital is possible though:
http://www.godvine.com/read/dog-mass-141.html
That story reminds me of this next one about a dog's love for its owner:
The dog that ran away from home to find his dead master's grave - and has stayed by its side for six years
A faithful dog has refused to leave the side of his dead master's grave for six years. German shepherd Capitan ran away from home after the death of Argentinian Miguel Guzman in 2006. A week later Mr. Guzman's family went to pay their respects and found the heartbroken pet sitting by his owner's grave, wailing.
Since then the grieving dog has rarely left the spot at the cemetery in the town of Villa Carlos Paz, in central Argentina. Mr. Guzman bought Capitan as a present for his 13-year-old son Damian in 2005.
Although the dog often leaves the cemetery to spend a short period of time with his family, he always returns to the gravesite before dark.
I am really confused how this story about tracing the owner to the hospital is possible though:
http://www.oddee.com/item_98538.aspxThe husky who tracked owner to hospital
A husky missed his owner so much that the canine somehow tracked him to a hospital two miles away in the middle of the night. Zander the white husky was a shelter dog who was rescued by John Dolan five years before. When Dolan was hospitalized in a Long Island, New York hospital with a skin condition, Zander became very depressed and was moping around the house. So the dedicated husky snuck out at 3 a.m. and amazingly found Dolan at Good Samaritan Hospital in West Islip.
A hospital employee found the dog on the street outside of building where Dolan was being treated. The nurse called the number on Zander's collar which turned out to be Dolan's cell phone number; he answered the phone from his hospital bed. Dolan's wife later came over and retrieved Zander. The dedicated dog even made a second trip to the hospital later.
Scriptures that I know of praise birth as human animal as conducive for moksha (liberation from cycle of birth and death). From that I deduce that, in general, human animal form may be better suited for contemplation-meditation etc.
But there are also scriptures citing examples of living forms (other than humans) that undertake acts of devotion.
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DawudTalut
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Holy Quran
[17:45] The seven heavens and the earth and those that are therein extol His glory; and there is not a thing but glorifies Him with His praise; but you understand not their glorification. Verily, He is Forbearing, Most Forgiving.
The Holy Prophet (sa) was extremely kind even to animals. Once on a journey, he heard cries of a small bird in distress. He turned to his companions and asked what had happened to the bird. One of them said that he had taken two eggs from her nest. The Holy Prophet sa said: "Return them immediately." In another narration of the same incident it is said that two chicks and not eggs had been taken, and the Holy Prophet sa said to his companions that no mother should ever be pained on account of her offspring.
(alislam.org)
Rakovsky
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In the same book, Moor also writes: "I have come to the deliberate conclusion that many animals are undoubtedly possessed in high degree, with the powers of memory, comparison, and reflection. ... The divine impress is upon man, and I cannot doubt that a similar impress, though in a lower degree, is upon the lower animals."
He quotes: