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Excellent Example Of The Anti-Gun Misrepresentation

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
esmith, there's no 'there there' with the email problem. RW media has been pulling your chain for years. There won't be an indictment. There was no classified material being intentionally sent. Just like BENGHAZI, it's a phony scandal.
I don't get why they are going after Clinton and not Condoleza Rice and Colin Powell, two of her predecessors who did the exact same thing, and according Powell he was not aware of any rules, laws, or regulations against it. And not just those three, but a handful of others who were revealed to be using private email servers. From what I have gathered, the only thing to blame is the under sight when such regulations were written.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
The edit did them a favor. Did you hear the answer that was given immediately? "If they're not in jail (terrorists or felons), they have their basic rights to get a gun."
Sounds mostly OK with me.
I'd elaborate.
 

esmith

Veteran Member
Hey, esmith....with your thread derailed, I'm going to get it back on track.
I'm going to make it about guns in the media again.....

PENIS!
FOX LIES!
sometimes I forget who I'm debating.

Anit-gun crowd...."We know we are right now lets gen up some data to support our claims."
 

esmith

Veteran Member
The edit did them a favor. Did you hear the answer that was given immediately? "If they're not in jail (terrorists or felons), they have their basic rights to get a gun."
Correct. If you are not a felon or adjudicated mentally ill you have the right to purchase a firearm. Who makes the decision that someone is a terrorist, the no fly list? If they are a convicted terrorist(felon) then they do not have the right to own a firearm.

But we are not discussing the law. I am bringing forth the idea that the piece was edited to make whomever produced the piece attempt to bring discredit upon the members of the panel. Typical mode of operation.....We believe this, now let's produce some information to prove we are right.
 

Acim

Revelation all the time
Most media is moderate and in the middle, which is why republicans and democrats watch it. No one is more biased than Fox. It's political tabloid 'news' 24/7. All day it's politics.

I can't believe you say this without putting winking emojis in there.

Glad I generally choose to overlook your posts or I'd make mincemeat out of such easily refutable points.
 

tytlyf

Not Religious
I can't believe you say this without putting winking emojis in there.

Glad I generally choose to overlook your posts or I'd make mincemeat out of such easily refutable points.
Please do. There's a reason why conservative media consistently misleads people. Heck, they've been going after Hillary for 4 years already because they fear her winning. No shame in the republican game.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Please do. There's a reason why conservative media consistently misleads people. Heck, they've been going after Hillary for 4 years already because they fear her winning. No shame in the republican game.
Is attacking conservative media supposed to distract from the dishonesty & bias of the leftish media?
 

tytlyf

Not Religious
Is attacking conservative media supposed to distract from the dishonesty & bias of the leftish media?
Apples and Oranges. The disinformation and deceit isn't prevalent at the same frequency with normal media. Fox, AM radio and conservative internet outlets attack all day long. 24/7 365. There is no comparison.

Media is mostly moderate, even MSNBC isn't very left, but moreso than CNN. MSNBC has a republican Trump supporter on in the mornings every day. Won't find that on Fox or RW media. Like I said, it's a false equivalence.

The purpose of conservative media (main outlets) is to saturate the airwaves with propaganda in the hopes of convincing conservatives to vote republican. That's all it's used for. Fox and Rush are in cahoots with the republican establishment as a media tool to get people to vote republican.
 

Acim

Revelation all the time
Apples and Oranges. The disinformation and deceit isn't prevalent at the same frequency with normal media. Fox, AM radio and conservative internet outlets attack all day long. 24/7 365. There is no comparison.

Thus your mind is closed to observing any data that may suggest otherwise. If I find even one story being reported that is not an attack by Fox, AM radio conservatives, it (rightfully) disproves your assertion. Then you'll likely back pedal to "more than leftist media."

Media is mostly moderate, even MSNBC isn't very left, but moreso than CNN. MSNBC has a republican Trump supporter on in the mornings every day. Won't find that on Fox or RW media. Like I said, it's a false equivalence.

There are plenty of Fox News shows that have moderate leftists (on a consistent basis) or steadfast liberals on an occasional basis. The Five and Special Report come to mind as ones that have leftists on a consistent basis.

I'm always curious where you are getting your information from? Are you tuning into conservative media on a daily basis? Everyday, 24/7? Or how are you coming up with your assertions?

From a person who favors the right, we don't have much choice unless we seek out what is understood to be mostly right-wing type reporting. But (at least some of us) are tuned into mainstream media which is clearly leaning left. It's not always so clear in each and every story, but becomes more clear when you realize which stories are buried, and/or not discussed at all, and which ones are deemed headlines enough to prattle on about in 5 to 10 articles that are dealing with similar subject matter.

I find all news agencies will report non-political news, therefore claims like "24/7" are something that would be so preposterous to make, one would wonder if such a person actually is familiar with the news agencies or is just filtering it from what they think (really guess) what the 'other side is up to.'

The purpose of conservative media (main outlets) is to saturate the airwaves with propaganda in the hopes of convincing conservatives to vote republican. That's all it's used for. Fox and Rush are in cahoots with the republican establishment as a media tool to get people to vote republican.

And I see it as necessary counter propaganda to stave off the deceitfulness that permeates newspaper, magazine and most TV news report. Prior to 1990, one would've been hard pressed to find anything resembling news that supports moderately conservative news reporting. Perhaps before 1950, that would've been a different story, but since the age of television, it swung one way (big time - to the left) and in the 1990's, it started to swing the other way.

Depending on who you ask, you'll get a variety of opinions on where the pendulum current rests. Me, I'm convinced it mostly swings to the left, even while a majority of people/voters are either independent or very close to moderate. I actually find among friends and family that most don't care, don't tune in enough to have the type of opinions we are sharing on this thread. It doesn't really register on their radar. Almost all of these people (actually I would say all of them) are conservative in a lot of (very noticeable) ways, even while they may claim to be liberal/vote Dems. It's the social issues primarily that make some people claim to be leftist, and who's to dispute that when the claim is put forth with anywhere near the gusto that @tytlyf is bringing to the discussion.

The thing that steadfast leftists don't get, and I've found no sure fire way to explain to them, is that all people in U.S. are highly exposed to leftist media. To think anyone is not able to tune into that would be, IMO, not possible. I'm sure there are conservative types that have sworn off subscriptions to and/or tuning into mainstream (leftist) media, but I find many conservative types are tuned into mainstream media, and then seek a conservative spin to understand what the issue is actually about, rather than the constant appeals to emotion from the left to filter what you should be caring for in the reported story.

Many decades ago when I exited college, I thought of myself as mainstream, normal, probably a little left leaning, wasn't sure. When the 1990's brand of conservative media came about, I gradually (over course of two years) realized how utterly brainwashed I was, and a lot of that happened at school (partially cause of 2nd of 2 majors I had selected). Also helped that I was working in newsroom of a major daily (liberal) newspaper. When my eyes opened, I didn't assume the right was unbiased (I knew they were), but realized how biased the news had always been. Biased in how stories are positioned (which is huge, but not usually noticed by most people), biased by amount of staff that have well known political biases, biased in how stories are written, who gets quotes, and then filtered through bias that editors wish to ensure is conveyed in essentially all (political) stories of their news agency.

I'm so glad the counter propaganda news exists, even if now it is establishing its own level of propaganda. In the 1990's, when that pendulum first started swinging, I recall so many on the left (in news agency I was at) laughing off the idea of that ever having a chance to make it to mainstream. Now that it has, and has shown to be (easily) the most popular/favored brand of news among critical thinking Americans, I rejoice.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Apples and Oranges. The disinformation and deceit isn't prevalent at the same frequency with normal media. Fox, AM radio and conservative internet outlets attack all day long. 24/7 365. There is no comparison.

Media is mostly moderate, even MSNBC isn't very left, but moreso than CNN. MSNBC has a republican Trump supporter on in the mornings every day. Won't find that on Fox or RW media. Like I said, it's a false equivalence.

The purpose of conservative media (main outlets) is to saturate the airwaves with propaganda in the hopes of convincing conservatives to vote republican. That's all it's used for. Fox and Rush are in cahoots with the republican establishment as a media tool to get people to vote republican.
This trick never works.
To claim "false equivalency" when criticizing the left is built on a shaky premise, ie, that the left is better than the right, or anyone else.
Their media get it wrong, & even proffer falsehoods just about as much.
So the leftish media are subject to criticism.
One cannot defeat this by attacking Fox News.
 

tytlyf

Not Religious
I watch all media to make an educated decision. Fox viewers are trained to never change the channel. So they are left with only a very biased view on things. Controlling the message is very common in conservative media, demonizing everyone outside the echo chamber ensures that your message and agenda won't have outside influence or facts that may sway the audience.

Fox is essentially tabloid news. It's 24/7 365 panic mongering and RW talking points. It helps to rely on multiple outlets for information. The language and words used by Fox are not matched by anyone. (hyperbole, voice inflections, etc) It's dangerous propaganda and intended to make the audience furious, angry, paranoid and loyal republicans.
 

esmith

Veteran Member
I watch all media to make an educated decision. Fox viewers are trained to never change the channel. So they are left with only a very biased view on things. Controlling the message is very common in conservative media, demonizing everyone outside the echo chamber ensures that your message and agenda won't have outside influence or facts that may sway the audience.

Fox is essentially tabloid news. It's 24/7 365 panic mongering and RW talking points. It helps to rely on multiple outlets for information. The language and words used by Fox are not matched by anyone. (hyperbole, voice inflections, etc) It's dangerous propaganda and intended to make the audience furious, angry, paranoid and loyal republicans.

Hmmm, you say you watch all media even FNC, correct?
That means you never watch anything else but FNC since you say they are trained to never change the channel.
So how do you watch all media?
 

Acim

Revelation all the time
I watch all media to make an educated decision. Fox viewers are trained to never change the channel.

So if you view Fox, then you never change the channel?

Rhetorical question. No need to answer, cause I'm sure you do change it, as do I and I imagine everyone else that watches Fox, but ya know, why let that get in the way of your false narrative.

So they are left with only a very biased view on things.

Unlike those viewers of the leftist media, right?

Controlling the message is very common in conservative media, demonizing everyone outside the echo chamber ensures that your message and agenda won't have outside influence or facts that may sway the audience.

In conservative media, of the talk radio kind, they field questions / counterpoints pretty much every day from the public. I don't see that occurring almost at all with leftist media.

All these things you are conveying are easily found in leftist media, sometimes in moderate type media.

Fox is essentially tabloid news. It's 24/7 365 panic mongering and RW talking points. It helps to rely on multiple outlets for information. The language and words used by Fox are not matched by anyone. (hyperbole, voice inflections, etc) It's dangerous propaganda and intended to make the audience furious, angry, paranoid and loyal republicans.

Yeah, you clearly don't watch it that much to make such baseless assertions. I get that you hate Fox News, but also get that you are extremely left wing influenced, and displaying a bit of delusion in how you view the opposition's news casts.

It's gotta kill ya that Fox News is the most watched cable news station on television today. But I heard that's attributed to the fact that you never stop watching Fox News due to the vast right wing conspiracy that they have over you.
 

tytlyf

Not Religious
I watch all media, including Fox. But I don't watch Fox for the reasons conservatives watch it for. Ratings doesn't equal truth.
 

esmith

Veteran Member
I watch all media, including Fox. But I don't watch Fox for the reasons conservatives watch it for. Ratings doesn't equal truth.
Oh I see with ones mind closed, now we understand where you have gone wrong.

Oh by the way just wondering where you find all the time to watch and listen to all this news programing?
You do work don't you.
I'm retired and have less than 2 hours a day (weekdays) for news programs .....1/2 hr local, 1/2 hour national (network) less than a hour for Special Report with Bret Baier (note network and FNC weekdays only)
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
Oh I see with ones mind closed, now we understand where you have gone wrong.
It's a given that shows like the Daily Show and various blogs like Huffington Post contribute to the ratings of Fox. I couldn't begin to even estimate a number, but really it's no different than the reasons some people watch MSNBC.
 

tytlyf

Not Religious
Oh I see with ones mind closed, now we understand where you have gone wrong.

Oh by the way just wondering where you find all the time to watch and listen to all this news programing?
You do work don't you.
I'm retired and have less than 2 hours a day (weekdays) for news programs .....1/2 hr local, 1/2 hour national (network) less than a hour for Special Report with Bret Baier (note network and FNC weekdays only)
I'm an entrepreneur. I am my own boss. And I do very well trading stocks. I wouldn't watch FNC if I were you, unless you want to continue being left in the dark to information intentionally. Doesn't matter how long you watch Fox on a daily basis, Fox does a good job of saturating and repeating themselves all day long. Fox is a tabloid news outlet like NY post. Both owned by the same person. Fox is run by a republican establishment insider who uses their channel to get republicans elected.

These are the facts
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
I'm an entrepreneur. I am my own boss. And I do very well trading stocks. I wouldn't watch FNC if I were you, unless you want to continue being left in the dark to information intentionally. Doesn't matter how long you watch Fox on a daily basis, Fox does a good job of saturating and repeating themselves all day long. Fox is a tabloid news outlet like NY post. Both owned by the same person. Fox is run by a republican establishment insider who uses their channel to get republicans elected.

These are the facts
People who really don't want the news and want to be told that they're cute little "conservatives" watch Fox. Fox is to t.v. news as the National Enquirer is to serious journalism-- but both have their gullible groupies that swear they're getting real news.

BTW, Trump appears to read the National Enquirer, but does that really surprise anyone?

Now, stay tuned for the next false equivalency, as I'm pretty sure that shoe will fall soon.
 
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