German Terrorists beat up Muslim for his religion

A young Muslim is probably attacked by anti immigrant thugs every day in Europe.

Lyndon said:

Well come to think of it we have no proof the Paris attackers were Muslim, maybe they just shouted Allahu Akbar because they wanted you to think they were terrorists. May be they were just psychopaths with no connection to religion, makes about as much sense as your ignoring Servants story, which I'm sure is real.

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Ugh, your unrelenting bias is showing. Seriously, I don't see you spouting the same "what if"ery about how - for example - maybe those Jewish Zionists who're occupying Palestine aren't really Jews, or Zionists, but rather people hijacking Zionism and chanting Zionist slogans just to make people think they're Zionist.

Come on man, you bend over backwards constantly for Muslim fanaticism.

Tumah said:

1. How did you determine this was terrorism and not hate-crime?
2. Is it reasonable to not expect anti-Muslim sentiments in a country whose Muslim population is bringing their culture with them, to Germany's detriment?
3. Do you as a Muslim believe that other nations have a moral obligation to save war-ravaged people at the expense of their own sovereignty in their country?
4. Considering the magnitude and frequency of Muslim terrorism in European countries as of late, do you think there is any substance to European hesitancy towards importing Muslim immigrants?

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These were very interesting links you posted in this thread. Thanks for sharing. So this is what I suspected. The no-gone zones and rapes committed by the Muslim immigrants have been kept secret in the name of political correctness. It's been always suspicious to me that these so-called refugees have mobile phones with them but no documents.

Lyndon said:

So you have feelings for native people after occupants from thousands of years ago come back to forcefully take their land??

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Honestly, I tend to view it the other way around. Each generation has a different "homeland" than the previous, sovereignties are always changing. I know you're insinuating at the Israelis here, but let's not forget that that area was also forcefully occupied by the Ottomans prior.

Have you ever seen that Youtube video "This land is mine"?

Aquitaine said:

Ugh, your unrelenting bias is showing. Seriously, I don't see you spouting the same "what if"ery about how - for example - maybe those Jewish Zionists who're occupying Palestine aren't really Jews, or Zionists, but rather people hijacking Zionism and chanting Zionist slogans just to make people think they're Zionist.

Come on man, you bend over backwards constantly for Muslim fanaticism.

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No I bend over backwards to fight degenerates trying to equate Islamic extremist terrorism with mainstream Muslims.

816 hate crimes against Muslims in last year in UK alone, and more against women!!

http://foreignpolicy.com/2015/11/23/hate-crimes-against-muslims-in-the-u-k-on-the-rise/

Lyndon said:

No I bend over backwards to fight degenerates trying to equate Islamic extremist terrorism with mainstream Muslims.

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It is foolish to lump large groups of people together, however I think it's important to also discuss the elephant in the room: that the ideology of Islam and how it is preached in certain sects does have a problem with radicalization.
The friction between European and Muslim cultural values in many countries across Europe also appears to be a problem.
Thirdly, one of the inconvenient elephants on the other end of the scale is the negative effects of ill-advised Western foreign policy in the Middle East which is also fuelling the fire.

But constantly burying your head in the sand about it isn't helping. There's arguing against tarring people with the same brush (good), but there is also just plain denial sometimes (bad). In my opinion you've engaged in both.

The elephant in the room is man's inhumanity to man, no race, culture, religion or non religion has a monopoly on that. And to claim one group is the problem, when your own Western group is responsible for far more deaths than the other, is hypocrisy at its worst. In the last 100 years Christian nations have been responsible for 100 million deaths, Muslim nations only 2 million deaths, think about it.

Lyndon said:

The elephant in the room is man's inhumanity to man, no race, culture, religion or non religion has a monopoly on that. And to claim one group is the problem, when your own Western group is responsible for far more deaths than the other, is hypocrisy at its worst. In the last 100 years Christian nations have been responsible for 100 million deaths, Muslim nations only 2 million deaths, think about it.

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Oh, whose labelling by religion now ey?
Also, the issue is more to do with the ideologies and followers themselves, than nations which have their own political agendas for starting wars.

Right now, with Islam, the main elephant in the room is it's radicalization problem, this is no different than say Scientology's money-scamming problem, or the Catholic church's pedophile priest problem. Honestly, get your head out of the sand - if someone was saying this about any other religon you wouldn't bat an eye. . . . . as evidenced by your generalizations regarding Christians and Jews.

Dead is Dead, right now we have more to fear from the West in terms of death and injustice than we do from Islam, wake up, you're just looking for a boogeyman to blame, when the boogeyman is right where he's always been, right under your bed.

Lyndon said:

Dead is Dead, right now we have more to fear from the West in terms of death and injustice than we do from Islam, wake up, you're just looking for a boogeyman to blame, when the boogeyman is right where he's always been, right under your bed.

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For the record, "the west" is not some monolithic single-minded entity. Aggressive needless western foreign policy is our elephant, radicalization is Islam's. All you seem to be doing whenever there is even an iota of criticism towards Islam is go "Yeah well look how awful the Westerners/Christians/Jews are).

Can we not accept multiple elephants at the same time, rather than coming out with ridiculous arguements such as "well those imperialistic western leaders aren't really imperialist or western, they're just shouting western phrases to make people think they're western". I mean come on.....

Lyndon said:

816 hate crimes against Muslims in last year in UK alone, and more against women!!

http://foreignpolicy.com/2015/11/23/hate-crimes-against-muslims-in-the-u-k-on-the-rise/

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Hate crimes are up throughout the UK. The UK is one of the most LGBT friendly countries in the world these days, and yet there has been a dramatic spike in anti-gay hate crimes:

Forces in England and Wales recorded 5,597 hate crimes against gays and lesbians in 2014-15, a rise of 22 per cent on the previous 12 months. The spike in violence and abuse based on victims’ sexual orientation emerged in statistics revealing a continued rise in offences which are classified as “hate crimes”.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-rise-in-homophobic-hate-crimes-a6692991.html

BTW, your 816 figure is from London, not the entire UK. And again in London (http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2015/09/07/homophobic-attacks-up-by-a-third-in-london/) there were 1,667 hate crimes recorded on the basis of sexual orientation for the same period:

It shows that 1,667 homophobic offences took place in the 12 months to July 2015 – up from 1,289 in the 12 months to July 2014.

The shocking data – an increase of 29.3% year-on-year – may be partly down to better recording of hate crimes, though it does signify a worrying trend.

Racist, anti-Semitic and Islamophobic attacks all also saw a rise – though the number of homophobic incidents recorded was nearly double those of Islamophobic crimes, and three times the number of anti-Semitic crimes.

Now, what accounts for this disproportionate increase in anti-gay hate crimes? I assume it is totally unrelated to stickers calling for a gay-free East London, quoting the Quran (http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2011/02/14/stickers-declare-gay-free-zone-in-east-london/). Probably no relationship to the likes of these fellows either (http://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/jan/20/three-muslims-convicted-gay-hate-leaflets), the first (Muslim) people in the UK convicted of hate speech for calling for the murder of gay men:

The men had admitted distributing the leaflets but pleaded not guilty to the charges. During the trial, the court heard that Ahmed had told police he did not believe that the views expressed in the Death Penalty? leaflet were wrong, but rather that they expressed what Islam says about homosexuality.

That charming Ahmed fellow is dead now. Islamophobic retaliation? Nope, he was a suicide bomber: http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-29974766

Islamic State (IS) militants named him as being among the bombers who killed a senior Iraqi police official in Baiji, north of Baghdad.

The attack took place on Friday when a truck packed with explosives was driven into the convoy of Lt Gen Faisal Malik Zamel, who was inspecting forces in the town.

He was killed along with seven other police officers. Fifteen people were wounded.

You want to paint a picture of an evil West and an innocent Islam, go right ahead.

Lyndon said:

Actually that was one of Hitler's main points, that the Jews weren't integrated into German society.

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Was that before or after his accountants turned over records on wealthier Jewish businessmen. .raided their homes and took all their wealth and money?

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Lyndon said:

Actually that was one of Hitler's main points, that the Jews weren't integrated into German society.

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List ten things Hitler said about Jews and show me a single positive comment?

Integrated?
How would that have been possible?
Hitler was the driving source of risistance against the Jews.

You read the statement out of context, it was a sarcastic reply to a poster claiming the Muslim immigrants needed to integrate into German society. And to point out that the claiming immigrants aren't integrated into society was some sort of prelude to the Holocaust.

Tumah said:

Learn about Jewish Enlightenment and assimilation that began in Germany here.

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Germany is a very young country and did not even exist in any organised form before the confederation 1815 to1866 which ended in war. In 1871 up to the first world war the German empire was formed led by prussia and included a different set of states.
Jews certainly lived in many of those states, with many speaking yiddish a germanic form of thir language.
however they were no more fully assimilated than many of the peoples making up the empire were.

it was after 1918 that the hatred of the Jews became most acute leading up to WW2

Terrywoodenpic said:

Germany is a very young country and did not even exist in any organised form before the confederation 1815 to1866 which ended in war. In 1871 up to the first world war the German empire was formed led by prussia and included a different set of states.
Jews certainly lived in many of those states, with many speaking yiddish a germanic form of thir language.
however they were no more fully assimilated than many of the peoples making up the empire were.

it was after 1918 that the hatred of the Jews became most acute leading up to WW2

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I'm not arguing that there wen't any non-assimilated Jews. There certainly were, including one of the most well-known anti-assimilation leading Rabbis. But for the most part, Germany was the center of assimilation among European (esp West. European) Jewry and included in their ideals was exposing Jews to the German language rather than the Yiddish that was spoken at home. Take a look at pictures of German Jews from that era and you will notice a distinct lack of religious features, such as skull-cap, or sideburns/locks.

Terrywoodenpic said:

Germany is a very young country

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That is wrong.
The country called Germany goes way back.
A state called Germany doesn't.

To make this distinction clear: There was no Polish state between 1795 and 1918, where were all the Poles? Vacation?

Terrywoodenpic said:

however they were no more fully assimilated than many of the peoples making up the empire were.

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Oh man all those not-integrated people.

Lyndon said:

Well we are being told its all Muslims faults for a few terrorists..

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I really wonder why you feel the need to have different evidentiary rules when discussing Muslims to the ones you run with for other groups.

Lyndon said:

And I don't think the Jews should have left their culture behind anymore than I think Muslims should.

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'Culture' cannot always co-exist. If my 'culture' demands certain things, and yours are at cross-purpose, then something has to give. If my culture runs contrary to the laws of the land, then, again, something has to give.
So in the interests of nuance, I'd suggest people are entitled to their cultures under the umbrella of the laws of the land.

Lyndon said:

Now all Christians are responsible for the abortion clinic attacks.

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*shrugs*
No. But any Christians out there who argue that they were brought to this by the actions of the government, in not banning abortion? Yes. Hell yes. They are complicit.
For me, I'm happy to assume the majority of Muslims are not terrorists, and more than that, don't support terrorism. That doesn't mean there isn't a problem with radicalization within the Muslim world. You can lay the causes of this radicalization at the feet of the religion, you can lay it at the feet of the 'West', you can lay it at the feet of social pressures and conditions, lack of education, the impact of long-term war, Israel, etc. Whatever you like. For me, there are a variety of contributing factors, and reducing the discussion to a 'cause' is disingenuous, whomever is doing the reduction, and whatever they determine the cause.

Servant_of_the_One1 said:

A young Muslim man was attacked in Kassel, Germany. A group of people attacked him with a knife and he was stabbed several times, leaving him severely injured. Anti-Muslim hate crimes have been increasing rapidly in Germany, as well as throughout Europe. These crimes are not getting much attention by the media. Groups of Germans have been having huge anti-Islam demonstrations in which thousands of people turn out to protest their hate for Islam and Muslims. Regardless of race or religion, as a human being this deeply disturbs me. The media brainwashes us with all this Islamaphobia crap. Spread LOVE not hate!
{tell me again why Muslims are called terrorists? tell me again why mainstream media is not spreading this? tell me again why this man is stabbed and bleeding and no one is helping him?}

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You're going against your own religion by spreading love. The Qur'an demands the following atrocities from you.

Quran (2:191-193) - "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief or unrest] is worse than killing...

but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah] and worship is for Allah alone. But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun (the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)"

Quran (4:74) - "Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward."

Basically give up your life in this world and fight for allah. This is exactly what terrorists are doing. In essence, the Muslim terrorists are the real Muslims. There are hundreds of other quotes like this that demand the slaughter of homosexuals, adulteress women, witches, dust devils and gins, etc.

The terrorists are actually following their holy book. After all Muhammad was a war lord and he consummated a marriage with a 12 year old girl. Its not surprise this kind of stuff is in the Qur'an.

Now Christians on the other hand have fortunately rejected the old testament, which is the reason they no longer find deuderonomy or leviticus acceptable, but Islam on the other hand claims that their book is 100% perfect and should not be changed or modified in any ways. The quran is basically like the old testament. And I don't even want to touch the Hadiths which are even more severe. Furthermore, statistics of Muslim positions suggest that most Muslim's want an Islamic theocracy implemented in the first world with Shariah as the primary means of distributing justice. Most Muslim's are really extreme which is why people are disgusted by islam. Its a religion that would have us move away from secular humanism and towards the babblings of a man who listened to the voices in his head inside a cave where no one could see him. I mean i'm agnostic but if i was going to pick one of the Abrahamic faiths it would be Judaism or Christianity. Either way Islam is stuck in the past and represents a regression in every possible way. However, killing Muslim's is unacceptable. Since a lot of Muslim's also ignore most of their holy book and cherry pick the few decent parts from it.

Also are you really surprised that there is backlash against Islam? They're not talking about these evil crimes because of the recent, much more evil crimes committed by holy warriors of the prophet Muhammad. By comparison ISIS looks much worse.

Lyndon said:

A young Muslim is probably attacked by anti immigrant thugs every day in Europe.

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Attacks on Jewish people have also been on the rise in Europe.