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Multiple sigils in Chaos Magick? How?
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Unveiled Artist
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Briefly, sigils are drawn symbols?
I would say they do if you create your own. You can make them relate in what youre doing.
If they are using already predefined sigils, I guess look upnwhat they mean. If the meaning conflicts, Id say no. Opposite, yes.
My educmacated guess.
Unveiled Artist
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I looked up sigils, how do you use them? I read different ways you can create them. Once created, what are examples (context not content) of using a sigl.
Carlita, check out this cute comic about Chaos Magick, it explains Sigils better than I ever could with my broken English
, it starts with Level 4!http://ultraculture.org/blog/2015/01/12/psychonaut-field-manual-cartoon-guide-chaos-magick/
Unveiled Artist
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Carlita, check out this cute comic about Chaos Magick, it explains Sigils better than I ever could with my broken English
http://ultraculture.org/blog/2015/01/12/psychonaut-field-manual-cartoon-guide-chaos-magick/
Veerry interesting web site, I must say. Thank you.
I was creating my own sigil rules last night, playing with symbols rather than letters. Good to look into.
Aset's Flames
Viperine Asetian
Yes you can.
Your unconscious mind will charge them when your conscious mind is pushed to an extreme so basically the same way you charge one sigil.
I see no need to change anything when using multiple sigils.
I like Chaos Magick they are very scientific and help seperate relgion and Magic into the sphere are fields they are.
Unveiled Artist
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Chaos magic is an attitude, a philosophy that promotes experimentation, play, and creativity while discarding dogmatic rules. Chaos magic points out that the techniques more than the symbols are what matter and that our belief in a system is actually what makes it work.
Would yall define this as chaos magic or does each have their own definition?
Would yall define this as chaos magic or does each have their own definition?
If you're just starting out I'd stick to one operating sigil at a time -- without understanding how those things happen you can literally cause them to collide and negate themselves. You will think you are failing when you are just juggling too much at once. Sigil magick is a small part of Chaos magic don't be too overly focused with it. Often people rely it as sort of a one trick pony.... Don't be afraid to get creative.
Don't be confused and think Chaos magic is inferior -- it is the strongest system I personally use. It is rookie friendly but there are some extremely powerful advanced applications; applications which all other systems I am aware of have no access to. To give you and idea of an advanced application -- Chaos magic lets you pre-load your spells which allows you to create general purpose effects that can be triggered at will either by activating another sigil or programming an automatic suggestion trigger. Effectively, you can have these spells "working" and aligning the universe to your will ages before you need them -- they can produce extremely quick effects. Other magicians will have to do some crusty ritual for one single effect (or one bullet if you will) whilst the Chaos magician will have an ammo clip and can swap ammo to address the current need. Chaos magic in this way can be practiced in public as you can do the ritual process before you even need it - and can trigger them discreetly. It's the modern world friendly paradigm...
Don't be confused and think Chaos magic is inferior -- it is the strongest system I personally use. It is rookie friendly but there are some extremely powerful advanced applications; applications which all other systems I am aware of have no access to. To give you and idea of an advanced application -- Chaos magic lets you pre-load your spells which allows you to create general purpose effects that can be triggered at will either by activating another sigil or programming an automatic suggestion trigger. Effectively, you can have these spells "working" and aligning the universe to your will ages before you need them -- they can produce extremely quick effects. Other magicians will have to do some crusty ritual for one single effect (or one bullet if you will) whilst the Chaos magician will have an ammo clip and can swap ammo to address the current need. Chaos magic in this way can be practiced in public as you can do the ritual process before you even need it - and can trigger them discreetly. It's the modern world friendly paradigm...
It's how it tends to be defined, but I've never been a fan of that definition. Most systems of magic don't use dogmatic rules; it seems "chaos magic" basically arose as a reaction against what happens to be the more dogmatic approach of Western ceremonial magic. Western ceremonial magic has never been the only, or even the primary, approach to the discipline. Basically, this way of practicing magic is so commonplace that a bucketload of things that don't call themselves "chaos magic" fit this description. Term seems to exist because a specific community of people want to attach themselves to it, and the practice is probably better defined by that pseudo-religious community than the above.
I'm not sure why other kinds of magic aren't effective for you, or why you see them as a single bullet. You can essentially walk around doing all the magic you want without sigils or anything. Further, I think that chaos magic falls short in that it only really impacts lesser magic, which is hardly magic at all and can be done by everyone. Crowleyan "magick", if you will. The other concern is magic becomes stronger with focus. Constantly using random methods, creating brand new symbols, and so on will be less effective than creating a solid system. There is also no true, greater, empathetic magic to be had from chaos magic.
Unveiled Artist
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It's how it tends to be defined, but I've never been a fan of that definition. Most systems of magic don't use dogmatic rules; it seems "chaos magic" basically arose as a reaction against what happens to be the more dogmatic approach of Western ceremonial magic. Western ceremonial magic has never been the only, or even the primary, approach to the discipline. Basically, this way of practicing magic is so commonplace that a bucketload of things that don't call themselves "chaos magic" fit this description. Term seems to exist because a specific community of people want to attach themselves to it, and the practice is probably better defined by that pseudo-religious community than the above.
Wow. That seems to happen a lot in the "modern pagan" community. Doesnt sit right with me. Id assume that many magic practices are "choatic" or without structure. I honestly thought that was what magic was until I learned about ceremonial magic. Interesting.
It's important to understand that the Western occult/esoteric community and the Neopagan community are not at all the same thing, and each tends to come to the practice through different paths. Chaos magic is a term used almost entirely by the Western occult/esoteric community, and not within Neopaganism, perhaps precisely because our default mode of magic has never been any sort of non-creative, highly structured, dogmatic affair (it's sometimes called "low magic"). That modality comes from, as I said, Western ceremonial magic (sometimes called "high magic"), which you're much more likely to be exposed to in the Western occult community than within Neopaganisms.
Unveiled Artist
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Hmm. If I understand you correctly, Id assume choas magic Is structured within occult rather than neopagan? If I were to compare it to neopagan, it would be considered high magic?
I'm not sure most non-Chaotes understand what is going on with the mechanics of the whole thing. You establish quanta via ritual or ceremonial magic which propagate via spooky action (or Ether as Carroll loved to say) via repetition. Chaotes do exactly the same things but don't have to choke on a dogma to do so. They both work exactly the same way... The Chaote just knows the symbolic functions are arbitrary and irrelevant. The are the letters in the equation "A * B = C"... We can write that AB = C or C / B = A or whatever. These sums are the same even if the ceremonial magician uses XY = Z provided the numbers they represent (the will) be the same.
Most of Western magical traditions are inundated by a hot mess of symbolism -- they can't decide if they're animist, spiritualist, pagan, or monotheist. They focus countless hours of time memorizing useless correspondences and attempting to reach some fashionable magical servitor they call the, "The Holy Guardian Angel"... Chaos magic just admits this is a phantom of ones own mind and that has no special importance... For a normal magician, they're done with all their work -- they think it's over... In comparison to my own views, I think they're just slacking. To go farther, I think they're completely arrogant about the whole issue -- assuming what they do is better than what a shaman or anyone else would. This is a great reason not to have anything to do with them... Who wants to hang with douche bags?
I can judge someones magical development just by the psychology they display -- are they arrogant, inflexible, narcissistic, combative, unsympathetic, posing, afraid to share knowledge, overly-critical, etc... These traits tell me they have not mastered themselves let alone any magic. Most of these people exist in the new age groups that write lots of books, but are largely wastes of paper.
Neopagans and new-agey people despise Chaotes as a rule. Not good sources of info on Chaos magic in my opinion.... Basically, Chaotes take everything these guys do and pulls all of the costumes and dogma off of it and reduce it to raw essence, and then they work with the process directly realizing the model used is just a tool. It is basically irreligious, but it can be incorporated in religious practices. Generally, Chaotes regard beliefs as a convenience or a means to an end...So they use whatever model suits the workings they do. These "other guys" are mired in the minutiae of their traditions to the point were they often lose touch with the important things, like, you know... What the working processes are.... etc...
High magic is bull used to sell books or cripple people with dogma so they fear to use their power. Basically, for someone that ascribes to this theory they believe that they cannot use magic outside of any purpose that doesn't lead them to the conversation with their Holy Guardian Angel (aka mania inducing daemon... lol). Magic is magic, there is no high or low. To accept this you have to believe that your HGA servitor is your god and then go crazy... at least if you are following the program... Go ahead... look up the life of Crowley... Would you follow much of what this guy says?
Honestly chaos magic is more an attempt to SEEM like one is an occultist, even if it's technically slightly occult like at times. It's a way of making mundane accomplishments seem magical, causing change in accordance with will. Like I said it's a take on Crowleyan magick, not actual magic. Pretty much everyone uses it.