Frustrated and confused

Aset's Flames · Nov 26, 2015

rusra02 said:
There are many things in the Bible people criticize without knowing all the reasons for what occurred. They quickly conclude that their ways are more righteous than God's.As Job 35:2 asks; "Are you so convinced that you are right that you would say,‘I am more righteous than God?"

Ok then, please explain to me how mauling down children with bears because they insulted me is a good thing?

It is very easy for people to claim that their deity has the answer and that you can never reason it out without the deity.

Becuase if this is the case than litteraly any and every religion could be true from the perspective of the average person.

Also why would your deity be even more unnessecarly cryptic and not explain why to prevent such confusion?

Aset's Flames · Nov 26, 2015

rusra02 said:
I'm saying; "It is unthinkable for the true God to act wickedly, For the Almighty to do wrong! For he will reward a man according to what he does and bring upon him the consequences of his ways. For a certainty, God does not act wickedly;The Almighty does not pervert justice." (Job 34:10-12)

Are you trying to prove a book is true.....by quoting the same book.....

Yeah! He infamous logical circle!

Mindmaster · Dec 1, 2015

Senseless said:
I'm trying. I regret ever being an atheist, it's left me faithless. I don't need this despair on top of everything else.

Nihilism is the logical result of extreme over-rationalization and critical thought -- don't feel bad, you just mastered materialistic thinking in it's entirety.

I guess, I could help you:

1) Do you believe in a higher-self, god (either in a pantheistic or theistic sense), or intelligent design? Karma, reincarnation, resurrection/last days?

2) Do you view people who believe in magic as childish, and people who are overly religious assume too much? Must every concept be defined in causal frames of reference?

3) Do you see the progression of aeons of development and their cyclical nature? Are beliefs like suits that you can wear to obtain ends which you are free to create or destroy as needed? Do you naturally favor quantum explanations of the universe and spooky action?

These questions basically help determine the self identification you currently align with: 1) Transcendental or Religious Thinking, 2) Materialistic, 3) Magical

No one is completely in any one of these camps, but they can be used to figure out what philosophies would provide interesting content for you. If you find yourself 50/50 on something it's ok... Sort of my brief breakdown of compatibility based on number.

1) Popular religions in general. All Abrahamic faiths, hindu religion, etc...

2) Hardcore skeptic/atheism go for readings on the four horsemen, but don't be afraid to go old with Aristotle or John Stuart/David Kelly/misc others... In general the older authors have the same reasoning without the anti-theism.

3) Buddhism, Pagan Religions (They often encompass some elements of #1), Magical Schools (Thelema, Chaos, general Hermeticism), Left-Hand Path, etc.

I'm not really trying to apply to all cases, but rather just give you some ideas where you would like to read. If the problem is really that you can't figure out who you are... Let's start here:

The Black Iron Prison (pay specific attention to the Jailbreaking section...)

Enjoy!

Aset's Flames · Dec 8, 2015

Mindmaster said:
Nihilism is the logical result of extreme over-rationalization and critical thought -- don't feel bad, you just mastered materialistic thinking in it's entirety.

I guess, I could help you:

1) Do you believe in a higher-self, god (either in a pantheistic or theistic sense), or intelligent design? Karma, reincarnation, resurrection/last days?

2) Do you view people who believe in magic as childish, and people who are overly religious assume too much? Must every concept be defined in causal frames of reference?

3) Do you see the progression of aeons of development and their cyclical nature? Are beliefs like suits that you can wear to obtain ends which you are free to create or destroy as needed? Do you naturally favor quantum explanations of the universe and spooky action?

These questions basically help determine the self identification you currently align with: 1) Transcendental or Religious Thinking, 2) Materialistic, 3) Magical

No one is completely in any one of these camps, but they can be used to figure out what philosophies would provide interesting content for you. If you find yourself 50/50 on something it's ok... Sort of my brief breakdown of compatibility based on number.

1) Popular religions in general. All Abrahamic faiths, hindu religion, etc...

2) Hardcore skeptic/atheism go for readings on the four horsemen, but don't be afraid to go old with Aristotle or John Stuart/David Kelly/misc others... In general the older authors have the same reasoning without the anti-theism.

3) Buddhism, Pagan Religions (They often encompass some elements of #1), Magical Schools (Thelema, Chaos, general Hermeticism), Left-Hand Path, etc.

I'm not really trying to apply to all cases, but rather just give you some ideas where you would like to read. If the problem is really that you can't figure out who you are... Let's start here:

The Black Iron Prison (pay specific attention to the Jailbreaking section...)

Enjoy!

I like your thought process, are you a magacian?

Mindmaster · Dec 8, 2015

Aset's Flames said:
I like your thought process, are you a magacian?

I used to call myself a bunch of things, and then I realized none of them are really me. I read about ancient practices, use chaos magic techniques, and do my best to keep my mind free of limitations. Sometimes that works, and sometimes it doesn't.

I guess I would be a magician if you were considering that to mean someone that is looking for the balance...

Adramelek · Dec 10, 2015

As for me, I am never satisfied nor do I know satisfied peace within, for then the eternal journey of life and becoming would be over. The Quest of Existence is eternal for each of us who chose to explore it. Inner spiritual comfort can be and is known, but peace of mind is like running toward something that keeps moving away at an even greater speed. It is simply part of the blessing and curse of drinking the Elixir of Leviathan.

Aset's Flames · Dec 10, 2015

Mindmaster said:
I used to call myself a bunch of things, and then I realized none of them are really me. I read about ancient practices, use chaos magic techniques, and do my best to keep my mind free of limitations. Sometimes that works, and sometimes it doesn't.

I guess I would be a magician if you were considering that to mean someone that is looking for the balance...

Good answer.

Straw Dog · Dec 11, 2015

Hello Senseless,

Senseless said:
I'm so lost right now. The world appears so complex to me. I can't make any sense of it. Everyone says something different and they keep contradicting each other. I don't know who or what to believe anymore. It seems that making up your own answer is just as well, since it's impossible to get to the 'truth' anyways.

I've been there and done that with many faiths and beliefs. I don't know what happened, but I've started feeling not at peace. I keep looking and finding something else each time, but nothing satisfies me. I keep worrying that I'm going insane, but I guess that's what I do anyway.

It's exhausting. I wish I could find whatever it is I'm looking for.

Sorry. Just venting :s

The world really is complex and there are actually too many variables to make total sense out of. There truly does seem to be a certain existential dissonance in the background of almost everything that we do. Some things are more true than what we're culturally prepared to cope with. However, they do still represent 'truth'.

Nothing totally satisfies us because nothing ever truly ends. We always want more. The good news is that there is much more to be experienced if we simply stop seeking and just start finding it within everyday life. We are typically oblivious to the abundance around us.

Pavank · Jan 15, 2016

Senseless said:
I'm so lost right now. The world appears so complex to me. I can't make any sense of it. Everyone says something different and they keep contradicting each other. I don't know who or what to believe anymore. It seems that making up your own answer is just as well, since it's impossible to get to the 'truth' anyways.

I've been there and done that with many faiths and beliefs. I don't know what happened, but I've started feeling not at peace. I keep looking and finding something else each time, but nothing satisfies me. I keep worrying that I'm going insane, but I guess that's what I do anyway.

It's exhausting. I wish I could find whatever it is I'm looking for.

Sorry. Just venting :s

follow what your heart says...that is the only right path

Valjean · Jan 15, 2016

Pavank said:
follow what your heart says...that is the only right path

Emotion based actions lead to war, intolerance and brutality.

Windwalker · Jan 15, 2016

Valjean said:
Emotion based actions lead to war, intolerance and brutality.

Following what your heart says, is not at all the same as following your emotions. You can be in all sorts of emotional states and not hear what your heart tells you. The heart balances out not just your emotional states, but your ideas about truth and reality too. Lacking the heart, leads to war either through being blown about by emotions, or by being mislead by your own ideas trying to tell you the truth of a thing. Knowing the heart is the beginning of wisdom.

Desert Snake · Jan 15, 2016

Valjean said:
Emotion based actions lead to war, intolerance and brutality.

I agree, but not really because of this. I agree because, if the person were more clear in what they were looking for in a religion, they would not have asked the question in the OP in the first place. Then again, you would rather have someone /some random person/, tell them what religion to follow?

Catch 22.

Pavank · Jul 31, 2016

Senseless said:
I'm so lost right now. The world appears so complex to me. I can't make any sense of it. Everyone says something different and they keep contradicting each other. I don't know who or what to believe anymore. It seems that making up your own answer is just as well, since it's impossible to get to the 'truth' anyways.

I've been there and done that with many faiths and beliefs. I don't know what happened, but I've started feeling not at peace. I keep looking and finding something else each time, but nothing satisfies me. I keep worrying that I'm going insane, but I guess that's what I do anyway.

It's exhausting. I wish I could find whatever it is I'm looking for.

Sorry. Just venting :s

First of all patience is required. Then comes sincerity. There is an alternate way, which is through relationship.

MountainPine · Sep 24, 2016

Never mind religion. Start by practicing humility and compassion. Let your conscience guide you.

allfoak · Oct 16, 2016

Senseless said:
I'm so lost right now. The world appears so complex to me. I can't make any sense of it. Everyone says something different and they keep contradicting each other. I don't know who or what to believe anymore. It seems that making up your own answer is just as well, since it's impossible to get to the 'truth' anyways.

I've been there and done that with many faiths and beliefs. I don't know what happened, but I've started feeling not at peace. I keep looking and finding something else each time, but nothing satisfies me. I keep worrying that I'm going insane, but I guess that's what I do anyway.

It's exhausting. I wish I could find whatever it is I'm looking for.

Sorry. Just venting :s

It is not impossible to get to the truth if you know where to find the truth.

If i gave you a boulder and a pick axe and told you that the truth could be found within the center of that boulder, you would have to work hard and spend a lot of time trying to get to the center of that boulder to find the truth.
There would likely be many days that you would want to give up on such a silly idea.

The same thing would likely happen if i told you that you are both the bolder and the pick axe and that if you cannot find the truth within yourself then you will never find it anywhere else.
We have been taught to search high and low in all of the best universities to find the truth and yet we are all still looking for it as if it is some kind of ghost that can only be seen by the very few.

The good news is that the truth is within all of us.
We are told to seek it out and we will find it.

When we begin to seek out the truth by looking within we will become troubled at first because coming face to face with the truth about ourselves is a troubling experience.
If we are faithful to face these things and make the appropriate changes we will begin to find peace inside and begin to find the power to rule over ourselves whatever comes our way.

Most will not even get started, some will start and give up, others will start and will never stop because they know for what it is that they search.

If we want to feel good about the way we look we put on our best clothes.
If we want to feel good on the inside we wear an unstained conscience.

Tabu · Oct 16, 2016

Senseless said:
I'm so lost right now. The world appears so complex to me. I can't make any sense of it. Everyone says something different and they keep contradicting each other. I don't know who or what to believe anymore. It seems that making up your own answer is just as well, since it's impossible to get to the 'truth' anyways.

I've been there and done that with many faiths and beliefs. I don't know what happened, but I've started feeling not at peace. I keep looking and finding something else each time, but nothing satisfies me. I keep worrying that I'm going insane, but I guess that's what I do anyway.

It's exhausting. I wish I could find whatever it is I'm looking for.

Sorry. Just venting :s

Check if this helps

arthra · Oct 24, 2016

Senseless said:
I'm so lost right now. The world appears so complex to me. I can't make any sense of it. Everyone says something different and they keep contradicting each other. I don't know who or what to believe anymore. It seems that making up your own answer is just as well, since it's impossible to get to the 'truth' anyways.

This is really an ancient thread going back awhile.. I'd be interesting in reading what the original poster has to say about where they are now...

It occurred to me that one of problems we can have in life is the contradiction between say our inner life and our thinking processes and our outer life. Yes life can be really complex and a contradiction.. We may have prepared for a career in a given area and realize we are no where near where we thought we'd be in our current life.

A disruptive domestic life can also cause stress.. We're unhappy and depressed and our relationship with someone is virtually falling apart.

Reflecting on these issues and talking about them with someone you can trust may be a way to develop a perspective on where you are and where you want to be.

loverofhumanity · Nov 5, 2016

Senseless said:
I'm so lost right now. The world appears so complex to me. I can't make any sense of it. Everyone says something different and they keep contradicting each other. I don't know who or what to believe anymore. It seems that making up your own answer is just as well, since it's impossible to get to the 'truth' anyways.

I've been there and done that with many faiths and beliefs. I don't know what happened, but I've started feeling not at peace. I keep looking and finding something else each time, but nothing satisfies me. I keep worrying that I'm going insane, but I guess that's what I do anyway.

It's exhausting. I wish I could find whatever it is I'm looking for.

Sorry. Just venting :s

I think your confusion is arising from realizing truth is everywhere, in everyone and all around you and you trying to find 'the only way'. There is no such thing as 'one unique way or path' and you will never find it.

I am a Baha'i but that is because I want to accept all truth not just one. If I became any other religion I would have to say mine is the only one and all others are false. As a Baha'i I can accept all of them and all truth. That gives me leave as I can accept all.

Don't try and narrow down truth but expand your vision and accept all truth. Accept anything that is good. Accept science too. Within reason and not including superstitions, we can mostly accept all religions as they all teach good. Their social laws are only different because they were meant for different cultures at different times.

Now we need most to accept all humanity as one family. That is the belief we need most today.

Twilight Hue · Nov 5, 2016

Senseless said:
I'm so lost right now. The world appears so complex to me. I can't make any sense of it. Everyone says something different and they keep contradicting each other. I don't know who or what to believe anymore. It seems that making up your own answer is just as well, since it's impossible to get to the 'truth' anyways.

I've been there and done that with many faiths and beliefs. I don't know what happened, but I've started feeling not at peace. I keep looking and finding something else each time, but nothing satisfies me. I keep worrying that I'm going insane, but I guess that's what I do anyway.

It's exhausting. I wish I could find whatever it is I'm looking for.

Sorry. Just venting :s

Maybe instead of looking for it. Stop and notice that which is around you.

Twilight Hue · Nov 5, 2016

It is an old thread.

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