• Welcome to Religious Forums, a friendly forum to discuss all religions in a friendly surrounding.

    Your voice is missing! You will need to register to get access to the following site features:
    • Reply to discussions and create your own threads.
    • Our modern chat room. No add-ons or extensions required, just login and start chatting!
    • Access to private conversations with other members.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon!

If God can't be shown to exist, isn't he useless

mystic64

mystic64

nolonger active
The Sum of Awe said:
If God can be shown to exist, why is there doubt?

If God can't be shown to exist, where is his value?


The only exception I can think of is deism, but that falls into question of whether a valueless God can still be considered 'god'. Then there is monism, as I am in agreement with, which is a God unidentifiable. If God is unidentifiable and thus inseparable from common things, logically that means the value of God's existence is at level with lesser things and thus God is not greater than the universe and that falls into valuelessness, or the problem with deism, the ungodliness which is another question itself. But in pantheism this problem is overcome when God needn't be greater than the universe, for they are one and the same, and that explains why God isn't recognizable to all, we are apart of him.

As for God not being the universe, God could've made existence thus making him greater in that sense, but after that there is no present action of God that preserves this value. A man who plants the first trees doesn't mean anything else to the forest that comes of them in decades afterward. Creating them is a one time value, preservation is needed to continue this value.

Another example: someone who has been a great help to people throughout their lives, they can be great for that, but it doesn't mean they're still helpful when they age to disability.
Click to expand...

If God can be shown to exist, why is there doubt?" "If God can't be shown to exist, where is his value?"

The Sum of Awe, I like those questions because they causes me to think :) . Humm? "If" God can be shown to exist, then there isn't any doubt. So the question of value "if existance can't be shown" is logically the subject that is up for philosphical consideration. Logically speaking, something that does not exist can not have any value. And your premise, "If God can't be shown to exist", is an absolute that creates a scenario where the existance of God can not be shown under any circumstances. So logically speaking under that scenario, "God does not exist." and therefore, that which does not exist is logically of "no value".

Can a valueless God can still be considered 'god'?" This premise creates a line of logic that assumes that God can be proven to exist but for some reason is not longer functional for all practical purposes in our defined physical reality. So the question becomes, what kind of logic adventure does that take us on relative to the concept of "value"? And, whether or not he should be still considered a "god"? If God can return, if God wishes to return, then he has potential future value and should logically still be classified a "god". If God can not return or will not return, as an absolute, then he has no "value" and logically speaking, should be considered a "was a god". Maybe :) ?
 
Thief

Thief

Rogue Theologian
Quagmire said:
No, lack of knowing doesn't create anything except questions.



Thought that was more or less a given. :p
Click to expand...
and we can know....what we cannot see.

Blessed are they that believe and have not seen.
 
Last edited:
You must log in or register to reply here.
Top