You're arguing that this scenario of false rape accusation would be improbable.
I agree. But that it would happen at all....even a small percentage of the time is
just another injustice heaped upon your plan of punitive taxation.
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A Letter to Donald Trump
- Thread starter ZenMonkey
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I agree. But that it would happen at all....even a small percentage of the time is
just another injustice heaped upon your plan of punitive taxation.
For many millions of us.For you, perhaps
Of course, I do recognize that there are also a great many who love the expansion of government spending, taxation & authority over us..
Politics is all about opinions & values.
No one has THE TRUTH.
Marisa
Well-Known Member
Those who don't have enough income to be taxed make up half to the majority of those who obtain abortion. That's what Dust1n has been valiantly trying to explain to you. Your "tax" is just another attack on poor people, which will do nothing to curtail the number of abortions performed annually. Attacking POVERTY is the best method, hand in hand with accessible contraceptives. Those methods have proven track record of reducing abortions, but do go on ahead and pay nothing more than lip service to the only facts which exist in the conversation of reducing abortion.
Marisa
Well-Known Member
The best method of encouraging pregnancy prevention and, BTW, reduction in STD/STI infection rates, is through . . . . wait for it . . . . accessible contraceptives and comprehensive sex education.
Marisa
Well-Known Member
I work in mental health. Do allow me to educate you to a few things regarding HIPAA. What you described above does not allow for the release of medical information. Law enforcement does not need to know the details of why you saw your doctor last in order to locate you, they need an address and phone number. Basic skip tracing. There are a lot of questions that can be asked and answered to help locate a potential fugitive without divulging the contents of the patient's health care notes. In mental health, where I work, we take patient privacy extremely seriously because we are mental health. Your family doctor, I guarantee you, does not take HIPAA as seriously as we do. We will not release any medical information about the patient without that patient's consent or a court order. GP's are forever calling us and requesting records, citing "continuity of care" as their reason why they need those records. Mental health won't do it. The only other medical specialty I've yet come across which takes HIPAA as seriously as we do is OB/Gyn. The SCOTUS has ruled that patients have a right to medical privacy. Like so many other facts present in this conversation, I'm sorry that sucks the wind out of your taxation sails.
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Marisa
Well-Known Member
If it happens just one time, right?
Marisa
Well-Known Member
Isn't it wonderful that when abortion is safe and legal, every man and woman is allowed the same freedom to make that choice that you and I enjoy? I think it's fabulous.For you, perhaps
We must be ever vigilant though, because there's always someone ready to put government's boot on yer neck.
Marisa
Well-Known Member
You watch the gubment, I'll watch those demon corporations. Deal?
Marisa
Well-Known Member
That's debatable.
Move over Elizabeth Warren, your pit bull is on her way with a real life Libertarian's permission to be all up in Wall Street's bizness!
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Underhill
Well-Known Member
I think the majority of the time the two are one and the same. Government brought to by Halliburton, GE and JP Morgan....
ZenMonkey
St. James VII
I've stated at least 5 times in this thread that birth control should be free. I don't discriminate, which is why I won't allow you to use poverty as an excuse for poor behavior. Poverty has no bearing on responsibility. Also, I support a woman's right to choose. My contention is the selfishness associated in abortions performed for the purpose of not disrupting a lifestyle. I commend planned parenthood for the preventative measures they take to reduce unwanted pregnancies. We need more of that being discussed and campaigned across the board. There are many ways to prevent unwanted pregnancy. One of which is not engaging in activity that could result in one. Another is better education. Another are contraceptives, which should be free. Furthermore, I suggest you 1. Follow the lines of reason to logical conclusions. 2. Quit sugar coating the issue and be HONEST!
I support human rights. A woman has a right to decide what happens to her body. She should not be forced to give birth against her will. Abortion is the most abhorrent practice this nation has ever had to tolerate for sake of human rights. The choice should be honored, the practice of abortion abhorred. It is absolutely the most selfish act a person can make when the determining factor to abort is to maintain a lifestyle. I understand medical necessity, rape, and incest but not convenience. The only valid solution to this issue is to demand greater responsibility and require accountability when an abortion is chosen. We can't force a woman to give birth against her will. We just can't, which is why abortion is legal.
Better preventative measures need to be utilized. The reality and severity of abortion needs to be seared in the minds of this nations citizens. This issue needs to remain on the forefront and addressed by the media daily. Free birth control needs to be made available. Abstinence needs to be encouraged in light of the selfishness involved in having sex when a human life is in the balance. Double this when absolutely unwilling to birth a child. If not willing to abstain, then the use of contraceptives need to be demanded by both parties for the sheer reason human lives are at stake. Parents ... educate your children and quit tip toeing around the issue. Tell it like it is and make no apologies. It comes down to being responsible, making better decisions, and not being so got dammed selfish and fearful.
The issue needs a new direction, otherwise we're just gonna keep beating our heads against brick walls. I'll continue to honor human rights. I will continue to support both choice and life. I think that demanding responsibility and accountability when an abortion is chosen for convenience is needed. Pregnancy prevention is the only valid solution to this issue. Prevention needs to be demanded and accountability required. Those who fail to meet these very basic and easy things to achieve and choose abortion to maintain a lifestyle need to be taxed. Call it an incentive to be more responsible. Reduce and/or eliminate unwanted pregnancies and no one would abort for sake of not disrupting a lifestyle. Prevention is the solution, incentives to spur responsible behavior will help.
ZenMonkey
St. James VII
You may be correct. I've read a few articles suggesting it isn't, but you may be right. You're apparently in the field so I'll believe you. A warrant may very well be needed. It doesn't matter a great deal. Not signing the release is probable cause to suspect tax evasion, which is cause to secure a warrant.
Marisa
Well-Known Member
And as far as methods to reduce the number of abortions is concerned, that's really where you should just stop talking. Which is what I've stated at least 5 times. It's the ONLY PROVEN METHOD TO REDUCE THE NUMBER OF ELECTIVE ABORTIONS.
Marisa
Well-Known Member
Good luck proving that in court, behind a SCOTUS ruling guaranteeing a right to medical privacy.
Underhill
Well-Known Member
I respect your opinion more than most pro-lifers as I can understand it. I just disagree with it.
This notion that all abortions are evil still bothers me and seems a bit archaic. I would be in favor of strengthening the intent of Roe v Wade by making 3rd trimester abortions very difficult to obtain. I agree with you on contraceptives and education. I also think the day after pill needs to be more available. It is the single easiest way to deal with the irresponsible behavior that will always exist out there in the real world.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
That implies a crime has been committed. And, again, it would be a violation of HIPAA laws.
That would be holding someone else to your own moral standards.
They have no sense of self-awareness in the womb. This is basic science, and it takes some time, even after birth, to gain self awareness and realize that "I" exist.
I do not deny this.
This is doubtful. Do you have any evidence to back it up, or just emotionally fueled tangents?
Reducing crime seems to be a good one. Keeping children out of the adoption system is a good one. And because we have no natural predators, abortion is the only thing the Earth has to help keep our numbers lower than what we are; without, we would have a much more dire population problem. And if someone would get an abortion simply because a child would inconvenience them, it must be asked should those people be parents in the first place?
Interesting, that you would say that because I disagree with your position.
Do you have any evidence to back this up?
dust1n
Zindīq
Oh, solved. All you have to do is have a check box on IRS Form 483b that asks this the doctor "is this a responsible abortion?" and then of course any supporting medical records. Then of course, if anyone ever refused to pay this tax, like if anyone ever just refused to pay it out of protest, you'd have to send law enforcement, employ the court system, I'm assuming adding another 5% to incentive the people to pay the original 5%, etc... Then, of course, would come the father, who might have just left to avoid being identified or found in the first place... and of course myriad of other concerns and layers of bureaucracy and costs to deal with that neither of us have to be concerned with since it's easy to just propose some government initiative without providing any actual mechanism to do it.
Your law program here is premised on the lack of responsibility so may people have, yet you seemed to have utilized none yourself in actually thinking it through, or any of the real-life consequences such a program would have. It's sort of wreckless really. Now, I'm not saying you don't have a right to free speech, or that you can't say what you're saying, but it is incredibly dangerous for hundreds of thousands of people, so I'm going to have to advocate an additional 3% tax for your idea. Remember, I'm not punishing your speech. I'm encouraging responsible behavior.
Sorry, taxes force peoples' money to be used in some initiative. It doesn't actually make anyone act anymore responsible or become any more responsible.
Disagreed. Though it's amazing your incredible insight into so many people's choices whom you've never met in your life and literally know nothing about.
Huh? The facts I presented are noble?
Recreational MJ is legal in CO. And it is taxed. But, I'm talking about taxing all the people who ever were known to be on drugs, so once you cough up your ten percent, I'll be more willing to consider your determination on who is responsible or not.
If you can't afford an abortion, it's what happens. Self-induced abortions are innately human and have existed since as far back as our records on human history go. The fact that you lack any sympathy for the literally billions of women throughout history is unsurprising, nor garnishes any particular sympathy from me.
Hilarious you would say that to me, as I've already scrolled down and you describe in vivid detail with pro-life sanctioned graphics about how abortion is done. First of all, I've already referenced actual facts multiple times. You haven't actually presented any facts or evidence to make your case at all, aside from the ethical position. Your entire argument is premised on what you feel, not any basis of logic or reason at all.
Anyone put in a position of desperation has great potential to do short-sighted and/or terrible things. Suicide is another common route.
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dust1n
Zindīq
So now your reasoning (morphing into an entirely different sentiment) is that if no woman ever got pregnant again, this would be a good thing, because no woman would ever die from pregnancy complications or from unintended pregnancies. If a single life can be saved would it be worth it? #outlawpregnancy