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Can the Isma'ilis...or anyone else of the Ummah...explain this symbol?
- Thread starter peanutbutter63
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peanutbutter63
Member
I'd really like to know what the above means...thanks in advance....
Khudayar
Member
Salam.
I can read the words "Muhammad" and "bifadlillah" (by the grace of God) but I can't read the rest. lol.
But I asked some brethren here for you: http://www.shiachat.com/forum/topic/235031780-the-calligraphic-lion-symbol-of-ismailism/
Maybe they can read it.
I can read the words "Muhammad" and "bifadlillah" (by the grace of God) but I can't read the rest. lol.
But I asked some brethren here for you: http://www.shiachat.com/forum/topic/235031780-the-calligraphic-lion-symbol-of-ismailism/
Maybe they can read it.
this is like a puzzle , the words mixed with each other , can you give us the source ?
btw this looks like praying sentence .
DawudTalut
Peace be upon you.
There are other similars too:
https://www.google.com/search?q=ara...4_v-MxwIVBBgsCh2mnwHw&biw=911&bih=423&dpr=1.5
https://www.google.com/search?q=cal...l2IGNxwIVypAsCh048wmn&biw=911&bih=423&dpr=1.5
Mutanabbi’s Lion
http://everitte.org/2012/11/28/mutanabbis-lion-arabic/
One feels, the calligraphers should write as note, what they are trying to convey.
Time is the precious bounty of Allah the Exalted.
https://www.google.com/search?q=ara...4_v-MxwIVBBgsCh2mnwHw&biw=911&bih=423&dpr=1.5
https://www.google.com/search?q=cal...l2IGNxwIVypAsCh048wmn&biw=911&bih=423&dpr=1.5
Mutanabbi’s Lion
http://everitte.org/2012/11/28/mutanabbis-lion-arabic/
One feels, the calligraphers should write as note, what they are trying to convey.
Time is the precious bounty of Allah the Exalted.
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peanutbutter63
Member
Thanks for the effort. I used to be a member of the 'shiachat' forum, and I got blasted for asking questions on the Isma'ili faith over there. Those who responded were very rude and arrogant, I thought. I didn't think they liked the Isma'ilis too much, but that didn't answer my enquiries, nor in which interested me...
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peanutbutter63
Member
Yeah...like a puzzle alright, and the words are mixed up. It's a symbol of the Isma'ilis....I believe it belongs to the Nizari sect of Ismai'ili path. I'd like to talk to the Nizaris myself, and I've tried but I basically just got brushed off
A praying sentence maybe? Interesting...
peanutbutter63
Member
Thank you for that....
peanutbutter63
Member
Thank you, and you're quite right..the artists should convey the message of their work. I wish the Isma'ilis would...There are other similars too:
https://www.google.com/search?q=ara...4_v-MxwIVBBgsCh2mnwHw&biw=911&bih=423&dpr=1.5
https://www.google.com/search?q=cal...l2IGNxwIVypAsCh048wmn&biw=911&bih=423&dpr=1.5
Mutanabbi’s Lion
http://everitte.org/2012/11/28/mutanabbis-lion-arabic/
One feels, the calligraphers should write as note, what they are trying to convey.
Time is the precious bounty of Allah the Exalted.
I recognised the writing...
Because i knew similar saying before...i didn't check the exact wording in picture...i spent only some seconds looking at the picture:
It say something like:
Seek interception of Imam Ali and you will find solution for your prolems, by the bounty of Allah and the blessings of the cousin of Muhammed, who is Ali.
OR the last part may be, as in the famous saying:
All your sorrows, concerns, and problems will be removed by the Willayah of Ali, that is taking Ali as an imam.
Because i knew similar saying before...i didn't check the exact wording in picture...i spent only some seconds looking at the picture:
It say something like:
Seek interception of Imam Ali and you will find solution for your prolems, by the bounty of Allah and the blessings of the cousin of Muhammed, who is Ali.
OR the last part may be, as in the famous saying:
All your sorrows, concerns, and problems will be removed by the Willayah of Ali, that is taking Ali as an imam.
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Servant_of_the_One1
Well-Known Member
I hope that your heart has nothing bad toward Ali a.s.
Ali was named as the lion of Allah. Even the Sunnis mentioned this in the titles of their books: here is an example:
مناقب الأسد الغالب مُمزق الكتائب ومُظهر العجائب ليث بن غالب أمير المؤمنين أبي الحسن علي بن أبي طالب
Written by Ibn Al Jazari..
You can find the book here:
http://shamela.ws/index.php/book/12752
Ali was very close to his uncle Al-Hamza...A title can be applied to more than one person.
Pastek
Sunni muslim
Sunni muslims have of course nothing against Ali (even though Servant of the One doesn't define himself as a sunni if i'm correct).
Just that you know
Servant_of_the_One1
Well-Known Member
Lol u must be kidding right
Ali radiyallah anhu was fourth caliph of muslims, loved by believers.
But truth is that only Hamza was called Asadullah. And yes Ali radiyallah anhu was brave warrior.
Servant_of_the_One1
Well-Known Member
Sunni muslims have of course nothing against Ali (even though Servant of the One doesn't define himself as a sunni if i'm correct).
Just that you know
I dont call myself sunni, shia or sufi.
Iam muslim who follows quran and (Tries my best to follow)sunnah, loves sahaba and ahlulbayt.
peanutbutter63
Member
Thanks for all that input guys(also mean gals...*chuckles*). I really wanted to learn what the symbol meant...
With this attitude, you will only harm yourself!
Who will you accept from?!
Here is Hadith from the prophet, from the Sunnis themselves...with a direct link to the Sunni source..in which the prophet says about Ali:
" هذا أسد الله وسيفه في أرضه على أعدائه"
"This is the lion of Allah, and his sword in his land against his enemies"
source:
http://sh.rewayat2.com/trajem/Web/8657/001.htm
So "Servant_of_the_One1"...Believe!
Servant_of_the_One1
Well-Known Member
Ya Shia Islam,
Only Hamza(who is also ahlulbayt member) was known to be called Lion of Allah.
Only a nasibi denies that Hamza was called Asadullah!
By Allah i do not know of trustworthy narration that called Ali a lion of Allah(Asadullah). This name is purely for Hamza uncle of Prophet Peace be upon him and his family. Other sahaba(Ali r.a included) were also fearless lions but the title/nickname Asadullah was only for Hamza r.a. Just like Khalid ibn al walid radiyallah anhu was called Sword of Allah, yet there were many swords fighting for Allah!
But yes Ali radiyallah anhu was a champion of islam, a warrior and amir al muminen(after amir al mumineen Uthman r.a died).
Nasibi is a term that is used mainly to describe the enemies os ali,fatima and the other 11 imams.
Ali is the one hated mostly by the hypocrites.
I did not say that the lion of Allah is an exclusive title to Ali.
Ameerul Muamineen is an exclusive title of Ali.
Salam.