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Should americans be required to serve in the military?

psychoslice

Veteran Member
Maybe bachelor's would be a more reasonable start, though I'm not aware of the exact comparisons of cost relative to each goal anyway.
Only if they want to join though, just because someone is a bachelor doesn't mean their life is worth less than the married ones.
 

Politesse

Amor Vincit Omnia
Maybe bachelor's would be a more reasonable start, though I'm not aware of the exact comparisons of cost relative to each goal anyway.
Nah, you don't learn discipline from an undergraduate degree. I'm not saying there's necessarily a huge benefit to overqualifying every American, but I am saying it would benefit us more than turning them all into trained killers for hire.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
Conscription has multiple issues, both ethically and politically, the major ones being that it seems to force patriotism by the state's force, not to mention the logistical lack of necessity of it, since we have a generally steady recruitment, unless I'm mistaken.
It did hit a low point several years ago, when Iraq was in full swing, that the military expanded recruitment towards high-school drop outs and certain criminal convictions that would have normally barred one from service. But I haven't heard of those low recruitment numbers being an issue for some time now.
Nah, you don't learn discipline from an undergraduate degree. I'm not saying there's necessarily a huge benefit to overqualifying every American, but I am saying it would benefit us more than turning them all into trained killers for hire.
If you don't need it or really want it, a master's degree isn't worth pursuing. It's more years of schooling spent in school when most would be better off getting started in a career, and because most wouldn't need the more specialized schooling provided by a master's program, it would be wasted.
However, I do think something similar to Germany would be beneficial, in that you get a higher education or you get an apprenticeship. (Just not the ultra-rigid standards for being able to go to uni)
 

Politesse

Amor Vincit Omnia
If you don't need it or really want it, a master's degree isn't worth pursuing. It's more years of schooling spent in school when most would be better off getting started in a career, and because most wouldn't need the more specialized schooling provided by a master's program, it would be wasted.
Well sure, but the argument is that everyone needs to join the army to learn discipline. I'm saying if we're going to force people to do something to mature them, I'd rather it be something that actually contributes to society. I'm on board with apprenticeships and the like too, though to be honest I don't like the idea of compulsory anything.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
Well sure, but the argument is that everyone needs to join the army to learn discipline. I'm saying if we're going to force people to do something to mature them, I'd rather it be something that actually contributes to society. I'm on board with apprenticeships and the like too, though to be honest I don't like the idea of compulsory anything.
From that perspective, that is true. Having them be too educated is definitely better than training them to be trained killers.
 

Aquitaine

Well-Known Member
I would argue that the draft would only be fair if Politician's children, if they were physically able, had to serve on the front-line. No rear-duty bull**** if your dad is a Senator. That'll make them at least seriously consider whether they want to do this 'war' thing or not.

I say send the politicians who vote for the war to serve on the front lines.

Honestly, I think these kind of stipulations are absolutely essential pre-requisites for a nation with a non-inverventionist foreign policy. There must be some sort of severe penalty placed on policy makers and politicians who vote for wars. Massive salary decrease (to help fund the war effort of course ^_^) for those in office who vote for war at the very least.

Of course, I think transsexual men - the ones who are done with their transition, at least - should be required to sign up for the draft in waiting like any other male. (Of course, they should be required to be on male levels of testosterone and to have had chest and genital surgery. )

Out of curiosity, what do you make of the idea of female conscription? The IDF have it, albeit not as extensively as it is on their males.
 

Aquitaine

Well-Known Member
From that perspective, that is true. Having them be too educated is definitely better than training them to be trained killers.

Not to mention all of the psychological damage they'd incur from being forcefully deployed to a combat zone.
 
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