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The earliest date of Qur'an's manuscript in Germany so far

Union

Well-Known Member
There is no final answer to this early date inquiry as more days are passing by and more information about the manuscripts of Qur’an are discovered . Few decades back the manuscript of Qur’an in Topkapi or in Teskand were believed to be the oldest among all . Then the discovery of Sana manuscript prevailed over the past opinion . And last year something new was discovered which just added another news in this regard . This article is about to inform this new news in the series of discovery of Qur’an’s manuscript .

Press release from the University of Tubingen , Germany

Universität Tübingen - Press Releases


A Koran fragment from the University of Tübingen Library has been dated to the 7th century - the earliest phase of Islam - making it at least a century older than previously thought. Expert analysis of three samples of the manuscript parchment concluded that it was more than 95 percent likely to have originated in the period 649-675 AD - 20 to 40 years after the death of the Prophet Mohammed. Such scientific dating of early Koran manuscripts is rare.


The Tübingen fragment was tested by the Coranica project, a collaboration between the Académie des Inscriptions et Belles-Lettres Paris and the Berlin-Brandenburgischen Academy of the Sciences and Humanities, sponsored by the German Research Foundation (DFG) and France’s Agence Nationale de la Recherche (ANR). The project investigates the Koran in the context of its historical background using documents such as manuscripts and information derived from archaeological excavations.


The project carries out palaeographic analyses to determine the age of a text via its special characteristics. The carbon-14 analysis of the Tübingen fragment was carried out by the Ion Beam Physics Laboratory at ETH Zürich.


The fragment in question is one of more than 20 in the University Library Collection written in Kufic script, one of the oldest forms of Arabic writing. The manuscript came to the University in 1864 as part of the collection of the Prussian consul Johann Gottfried Wetzstein. You can view it online at:http://idb.ub.uni-tuebingen.de/diglit/MaVI165


Projekt Coranica:CORANICA – Vom Kontext zum Text — Coranica

Contact:
Kerstin Strotmann
University of Tübingen Library
Oriental and Islamic Studies, Ancient Oriental Studies and Egyptology
Phone +49 7071 29-73430
Kerstin.Strotmann[at]ub.uni-tuebingen.de



Eberhard Karls Universität Tübingen
Public Relations Department
Dr. Karl Guido Rijkhoek
Director


Antje Karbe
Press Officer
Phone +49 7071 29-76789
Fax +49 7071 29-5566
antje.karbe[at]uni-tuebingen.de

www.uni-tuebingen.de/aktuell

 

Union

Well-Known Member
Few Folios to look at :

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OurCreed

There is no God but Allah
What matters to me is if this found Qur'an matches the ones we have today word for word, letter for letter.
 

Toxikmynd

Demir
This is AWESOME. I just wish Arabic wasn't so difficult to learn, the fact that it's a cursive alphabet makes it worse. If they had an alphabet more like Hebrew I could at least be able to read it better. Shame shame.
 

Mitch M

Member
I had a Question as WHY That Muslims Think or FEEL - that Abraham and Ishmael had Previously ESTABLISHED their Religion.
When there is not a Single Shred of any EVIDENCE Before Mohammud, of any Islamic Scriptures, NOR Evidence of islamic Gospels, - NOR any Evidence that any People Called " ISHMAELITES " Even Existed. * Well -- Except for the Bible..

But See, There are no Preserved artifacts, and Certainly - No External / l NON BIBLICAL Evidence, that tells of a People Called Ishmaelites. nor of anyone Being related to ISHMAEL. * BEFORE 700 AD. } |

I Guess, What I mean is. Outside of the Bible. Is there no Evidence anywhere on earth ) _ BEFORE 700 AD ) / Before Mohammud /---- That anyone is Related to Abraham and Ishmael. Except the for the evidence of the bible and the culture of the Jews. ?

Where is Ishmaelite Culture. Ishmaelite Language, Ishmaelite History, Ishmaelite Artifacts. ishmaelite Writings and History ? ?

I guess - My Question is Simply. What Evidence is there. That Mohammud Himself Was Related to Ishmael. And why do You Think Mohammud was Right, when He claimed that there were also OTHERS - also, around Him. Who also were Descendants of Ishamael or Abraham.

While Mohammiud made His CLAIMS, based on Prophecy, Revelation and Inspired Angelic Messages. WITH NO EVIDENCE.

Its just that there are So, So many, Many CLAIMS that Muslims make.. I have never seen any answers to any of these simple Questions.

And where did mohammud SAY _ The Words. * --- I AM A PROPHET ?

Yes . where did mohammud SAY _ The Words. * --- I AM A PROPHET ? Follow and OBEY ME. That - is Another Question. ?
Then Why do muslims expect Christians to Show where Jesus Said the WORDS. I am God. Worship Me.

As a little Child, With an open Heart and mind. I respectfully ask these questions. Does anyone have an answer. Please Help me.
 
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Mitch M

Member
Quran comes from the root word "Qirat" which means recitation. So the Prophet(pbuh) gave the Quran in the form of a recitation. "Al-Quran" means "THE RECITATION".

the fact is. There was no single copy of the Qur'an even in existence until long after the time of Mohammed's death according to the traditional history.
Large portions of the original, do not exist today, Such as / The Book of the Camel of God / .

It was, in fact, the knowledge of this that prompted Abu Bakr (or Uthman, or Ali, or 'Umar, depending on the tradition) to initiate Zaid's mission to compile the Qur'an.

In addition to losing parts of the Qur'an due to battle losses, the traditions report that both Mohammed and his Companions would simply forget various of the revealed recitations. Mohammed would forget recitations from the Qur'an,

"Allah's Apostle heard a man reciting the Qur'an at night, and said, "May Allah bestow His Mercy on him, as he has reminded me of such-and-such Verses of such-and-such Suras, which I was caused to forget."

I am personally in disagreement with the quran. Because it claims that there were islamic gospels and islamic scriptures but the evidence proves this to be completely false..
 

Toxikmynd

Demir
Quran comes from the root word "Qirat" which means recitation. So the Prophet(pbuh) gave the Quran in the form of a recitation. "Al-Quran" means "THE RECITATION".

the fact is. There was no single copy of the Qur'an even in existence until long after the time of Mohammed's death according to the traditional history.
Large portions of the original, do not exist today, Such as / The Book of the Camel of God / .

It was, in fact, the knowledge of this that prompted Abu Bakr (or Uthman, or Ali, or 'Umar, depending on the tradition) to initiate Zaid's mission to compile the Qur'an.

In addition to losing parts of the Qur'an due to battle losses, the traditions report that both Mohammed and his Companions would simply forget various of the revealed recitations. Mohammed would forget recitations from the Qur'an,

"Allah's Apostle heard a man reciting the Qur'an at night, and said, "May Allah bestow His Mercy on him, as he has reminded me of such-and-such Verses of such-and-such Suras, which I was caused to forget."

I am personally in disagreement with the quran. Because it claims that there were islamic gospels and islamic scriptures but the evidence proves this to be completely false..

I am personally in disagreement with all abrahamic faiths except Islam.. I'm a pagan.
 
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